Despite being the world's 8th biggest crude oil exporter, Norway is banning the sale of new gasoline cars in 2025. : futurology

[–] [email protected] 33 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Banning gasoline cars isn't that radical a step for Norway - 90% of new cars sold there are already EVs. This also doesn't mean the disappearance of ICE cars from Norwegian roads, the old stock will have to gradually disappear as it ages out.

The EU (which Norway isn't in) has set 2035 as the date for banning the sale of new gasoline cars there. However, many think most car makers will have stopped selling them in Europe before that date. As their market share shrinks, it will become unprofitable to make them anymore.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago

The directive on renewables state 2040 as the last sell by date for gas and diesel, so 2035 is well in line with that.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 days ago

Never sample your own product, I guess.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Learn something America!

[–] zero_spelled_with_an_ecks 6 points 3 days ago

America: "No."

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago

Well done. Get that shit off your roads.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago (5 children)

Producing fossil fuel, still means you are producing carbon emissions, just that you are giving it to other countries to do the dirty work for cheap.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Gasoline and Diesel are two out of thousands of things that are made from oil. You're literally holding fossel fuel in your hand right now. Other products made using oil include:

Adhesive, Air mattresses, Ammonia, Antifreeze, Antihistamines, Antiseptics, Artificial limbs, Artificial turf, Asphalt, Aspirin, Awnings, Backpacks, Balloons, Ballpoint pens, Bandages, Beach umbrellas, Boats, Cameras, Candies and gum, Candles, Car battery cases, Car enamel, Cassettes, Caulking, CDs/computer disks, Cell phones, Clothes, Clothesline, Clothing, Coffee makers, Cold cream, Combs, Computer keyboards, Computer monitors, Cortisone, Crayons, Credit cards, Curtains, Dashboards, Denture adhesives, Dentures, Deodorant, Detergent, Dice, Dishwashing liquid, Dog collars, Drinking cups, Dyes, Electric blankets, Electrical tape, Enamel, Epoxy paint, Eyeglasses, Fan belts, Faucet washers, Fertilizers, Fishing boots, Fishing lures, Floor wax, Food preservatives, Footballs, Fuel tanks, Glue, Glycerin, Golf bags, Golf balls, Guitar strings, Hair coloring, Hair curlers, Hand lotion, Hearing aids, Heart valves, House paint, Hula hoops, Ice buckets, Ice chests, Ice cube trays, Ink, Insect repellent, Insecticides, Insulation, iPad/iPhone, Kayaks, Laptops, Life jackets, Light-weight aircraft, Lipstick, Loudspeakers, Lubricants, Luggage, Model cars, Mops, Motorcycle helmets, Movie film, Nail polish, Noise insulation, Nylon rope, Oil filters, Packaging, Paint brushes, Paint roller, Pajamas, Panty hose, Parachutes, Perfumes, Permanent press, Petroleum jelly, Pharmaceuticals, Pillow filling, Plastic toys, Plastics, Plywood adhesive, Propane, Purses, Putty, Refrigerants, Refrigerator linings, Roller skate wheels, Roofing, Rubber cement, Rubbing alcohol, Safety glasses, Shampoo, Shaving cream, Shoe polish, Shoes/sandals, Shower curtains, Skateboards, Skis, Soap dishes, Soft contact lenses, Solar panels, Solvents, Spacesuits, Sports car bodies, Sunglasses, Surf boards, Swimming pools, Synthetic rubber, Telephones, Tennis rackets, Tents, Tires, Tool boxes, Tool racks, Toothbrushes, Toothpaste, Transparent tape, Trash bags, Truck and automobile parts, Tubing, TV cabinets, Umbrellas, Unbreakable dishes, Upholstery, Vaporizers, Vinyl flooring, Vitamin capsules, Water pipes, Wind turbine blades, and Yarn.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago

Well, at least some of those aren't burnt on day one. Some, like water and drain pipes might be used for 50-70 years before replaced. Those are not part of the immediate problem. Others are though.

Taking a step back, looking at the bigger picture, is daunting, though. World wide, about 100 million barrels, or 16 billion litres, or roughly 4,22 billion US gallons, are produced. That's about the same volume as 700-1000 suburban two story buildings. Those will quickly become a mountain if they are stacked on top of each other.

That's the amount of oil that goes into making all those things above.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Is this list facetious? Or a pop culture reference that I don't get?

Some of these items have existed for thousands of years in non-petrochemical forms (dice, tool racks, tents). Others are currently obsolete, weirdly specific (soap dishes?), or weirdly vague (tubing), or a weird combination of the same (water pipes).

I'm also struggling to understand vitamin capsules. Don't most of those use standard gelatin derived from animal sources? Or fish or vegetable sources? And why vitamins specifically? I've visited several factories that make capsules for vitamins or pharmaceuticals. Is there an additive to the gelatin formula that I'm forgetting? And why specific to vitamins?

I don't know. It's early and this doesn't make sense

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

This is essentially correct. Vitamin capsules are generally made from gelatin. Vegan ones are generally made from tapioca starch, glycerol, agar, etc. The idea that vitamin capsules are derived from hydrocarbons is probably just HMPC (hydroxypropyl methylcellulose, where the hydroxypropylation is done with propylene oxide), which seems rare compared to gelatin.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Well, dice are generally plastic these days. Not bone stone or wood

That list is from https://www.energy.gov/
The point being oil is used in almost everything we have today. To equate it to just gasoline is not understanding how much oil and the industry is intertwined with our lives.

Lowering and going zero for ICE vehicles is absolutely amazing. It does not mean oil will no longer be needed.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago

Fossil fuels will still have a place even many centuries from now. They are a good backup to have, like paper copies of digital documents.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago

Oil has a lot of uses, like lubricants and plastics, both of which are needed to make wind turbines.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

So, you would rather that Norway didn't ban sales of ICE cars?

Question is, though, how much revenue can be replaced with other products? Or if the lesser demand on gas and diesel might take the margin of operations with it, and thus start a domino effect.

Oh, and in 2025 China will be at 50%+ EVs. That might make a dent in the oil economy.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Look I see the good intentions, but I believe in calling out hypocrisy, saying you ban ICE vehicles, whilst being one of the top producers of crude oil, to substitute your electric vehicles with said profits of selling crude oil, which even the "used in other products" is the minority of products, is a bit hypocritical.

I give Norway a nod to be trying to be the change they want to see, but it feels like the owner of an abattoir preaching the gospel of veganism, how their house is going to be 100% vegan and how people who eat animal products are going to doom the earth due to animals being a major contributor to greenhouse gasses, whilst still operating and profiting from said sale of animal products and using its revenue to make vegan food cheap and easily available to his family.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

Yeah, kinda, but not at all. You are trying to diminish something that has never been done before. Spin it any way you want, no country, oil producer or not, has reached a level where it is possible. And you get to benefit from it.

Had there not been a market for a new type of power train, nobody would have made the cars. So we may not like it, but Tesla and an oil producing country are in some ways instrumental in bringing about this change.

So, your allegory is only correct if your farmer is the first ever producer of vegan food. It's still a feat.

Look, I want oil to be deprecated as fast as anyone. That doesn't stop me from seeing the effects it would have if oil dried up tomorrow. Neither of us would like that world. So while it seems excruciatingly slow, we need to do it one step at a time. Now when the ball is rolling, it should start to pick up speed.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago

Ok so back to my comment then, with all these amazing benefits of producing crude oil, clearly I was wrong, we should do everything to get countries to start pumping out oil, if they haven't, or try increasing their crude oil production so that the world can benefit from the thousands of uses, except as fuel but it's less than 1% of possible uses. Heck the oil will make the countries maybe almost as rich as Norway to also use the profits to subsidise the EV market and stop using ICE vehicles, except if they are a poor oil-less country. Heck everything will get cheap since the world will have an abundance of cheap crude oil, due to high supply. Hopefully the Norwegians won't say only they are allowed to ethically produce a crap load of oil, in a low supply world that is due to collusion from OPEC countries

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

The space would be filled by another country anyways so im just happy the money is going to a democracy.

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