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Given BambuLabs recent issues what now? (lemmy.world)
submitted 1 day ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
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I got a P1S as a Christmas present for me and my wife. For now, my plan is to block its internet connection and stop using the Bambu app altogether. When/if it his stops working for me, what does the community recommend as a replacement for newbies like me, or future newbs who haven’t made this mistake?

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

I have a Qidi X-Plus 4. There are a lot of reviews online raving about its reliability, how it's the first production-ready printer that's also affordable for hobbyists. It's also got Klipper firmware, which is open, so it can't be locked down the way the Bambu ones are.

My old printer is a 10 year old prusa clone kit, which I wrestled with the whole time I had it. Compared to that, the Qidi is a dream.

If you're on 110v power, make sure you get the fixed relay board. The original one can't handle the higher amperage of the lower voltage power.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

Get a Prusa. I too made the error buing chinese crap (Ender 3 v2 in my case). I didn't have the cloud problem but i had to tinker soo much till it actually worked.

You pay more for a Prusa, but then you actually have tested and open hard- and software that works and can't be taken away from you.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I think calling Ender "Chinese Crap" a bit harsh. I'm using an Ender 5 Plus, and I love it. Didn't even had to tinker a tiny bit to get it working right (Except for Leveling of course). It's reliable as hell, and not even 2% of my prints fail. Only improvement I would recommend is a a smaller nozzle.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Getting an ender is lottery, i got mine with a chip unsupported by upstream marlin and the ender prebuilt binaries do not support bl-touch and a fillament runout sensor at the same time.

Also I had feeding problems from day one, not even the included example gcode file with the included filament did print out even once.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago

I just read a bit through some forum posts, and the 3 v2 seems to be one of the worst printers in Enders whole lineup. That's probably why our experiences are so different.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 hours ago

Or if you want to tinker: get a voron kit

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 hours ago

The way forward is to enjoy printing cool stuff.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 hours ago

You could extract the private keys from your printer

https://wiki.rossmanngroup.com/wiki/Reverse_Engineering_Bambu_Connect

[–] [email protected] 5 points 12 hours ago

For completeness it's worth mentioning that they posted a response to a lot of the more extreme allegations

https://blog.bambulab.com/updates-and-third-party-integration-with-bambu-connect/

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Now that this is shipping, I'm hoping it gets more exposure and reviews online:

https://www.prusa3d.com/product/prusa-core-one/

[–] [email protected] 4 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

I want a Core One, but am holding out for the kit version, which I haven't seen anything announcing a release date. I can't really blame them, I'm guessing 75% or more of their printers are sold prebuilt, but I enjoy getting my hands dirty and knowing exactly how my printers work.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago

I also think there might be few changes happening as they start mass producing them, tweaking a few things there and there.

Rather than updating 10 times the kit assembly instruction it's better to fine tune the assembly process in house and once the process is settled down and not changing anymore they start shipping kits with extremely clear instructions.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 23 hours ago

I'm kinda surprised there haven't been hands on reviews yet. I'm also kinda glad cause it means they aren't sending out special review units to everyone just to get good stories out.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 20 hours ago

Is X1Plus available for the P1S? If it is, that's what you should switch to in LAN only mode. Can slice with anything and feed it over to the printer.

It's what I did with mine, even though it was in LAN only mode already. Switch over before they disable that option. Already working on selling it though so I can get a Prusa CORE.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

I saw this coming a mile away. i made the right choice of printer :/

Really tho their software has already been broken into, it's on repair.wiki. You can fix your printer

[–] [email protected] 3 points 20 hours ago

X1plus on an isolated network + pandaprint for an orcaslicer without any Bambu network plugins. (https://github.com/pandaprint-dev/pandaprint/tree/master)

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Unfortunately an heir apparent isn't readily... Apparent in my eyes. All have tradeoffs. To be fair, Bambu did too but hid it better from most consumers.

Qidi isn't terrible, and they have a decent track record. Their use of klipper is a big plus as well. But multi material is still a promise with no release or reviews, and they have had some duds in their history.

Prusa is an obvious option, and previously wore the crown. They're a good bit more expensive, but perhaps that's the cost of a highly ethical company that is deeply invested in the community. MMU is well understood and works great, but isn't integrated in their latest printers yet.

Voron is amazing but absolutely still not for beginners. Besides that they lack for absolutely nothing. Some kits are approaching the user friendliness of pre built, but care and feeding is generally a more technical endeavor.

Creality is a good place to start generally, but lacks for features.

Long story short, if a friend approached me and demanded a recommendation, I'd push a casual user to Qidi, a demanding user to a Prusa, and a tinkerer to a Creality with the understanding I'll be printing voron parts in a year or two

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I’ve been wanting to build a Voron for ages, I’ve modified an i3 clone from anycubic to such an extent it’s not reflective of it’s original quality at all. But I find the cost and technical challenge a little too high. Recently Sovol brought out an inspired by and using open source basis copy of the Voron 2.4. Sovol SV08. It’s looks quite reasonably priced, but it’s still a big chunk of what I would have spent on the Voron budget, and only needs reassembly out of the box not a full build. I’m just not hearing enough of how they run to be inspired yet. SV08

[–] [email protected] 2 points 13 hours ago

Having gone through the Voron build, I would call it long vs hard. I am mechanically inclined and have crimped wiring before though.

Mechanically, if you're not intimidated by IKEA furniture you'll be fine. You do need a largeish flat surface to get the 2020 rails to all be flat when you snug them up, but a kitchen counter will do if you don't have anything else.

Wiring wise, if you're willing to spring for a ratcheting crimper with the correct die size for your terminal and wire gauge it becomes foolproof. If you use a non-ratcheting type grab some extra wire and terminals to practice on. Too lose = poor connection. Too tight = you'll break the wires.

The Voron docs are pretty easy to follow and their forums are pretty solid for help. They also have a discord, but I'm old and prefer BBS style posts.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 19 hours ago

It may have just been a one-off, but I hated my SV07 so much that I've sworn off Sovol for good (the SV07's constant issues are what pushed me to get a P1S, actually).

[–] [email protected] 3 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

Are you within the EU?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I am not. Am in the US.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Then I would talk to your credit card company.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 hours ago

Maybe a class action lawsuit might be an option for Americans?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Hi,
sorry for hijacking the comment thread,
for those that are in EU (lets say they order via amazon.de)
what would You(also accepting anyones recommendations) recommend?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 20 hours ago

If you ordered within their return period return it. Besides that, wait, at the moment

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The sad reality is that we are going to see more and more printer companies building up walled gardens. There is money in models and the end goal is going to be one model site per slicer per manufacturer. There will still be the open source build your own printers but... there is a reason everyone recommended a Bambu over one of those.

As of right now? Qidi are pretty awesome in the semi-proprietary space and have a good track record of releasing the g-code macros required to interface with their printers (e.g. chamber temperature controls). Time will tell what they do with their multi-material solution though.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 13 hours ago

I don't think we will reach the point of walled gardens for finding/downloading STLs. A lot of us are massive nerds and someone will stand up another STL host. There's also GitHub, but without a STL aggregator it does kind of stink.

Most of the STLs are also developed by the community and are generally free themselves, although some are trying to create a revenue stream for themselves on places like Cults. I don't think that's a walled gardens though - creators are choosing to post their content there and ask $$ for it. Unless someone like Bambu pays top dollar for models, I don't think they'll be able to take over the STL market.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah this sucks, I just bought an a1 mini with AMS, I love it. I do have it in LAN Mode with no internet and I still use bambustudio since I believe that is open source no? Lets hope they reverse this but I don't see them doing that. Hope I can still use the printer without upgrading the firmware or somebody is able to make open source firmware for the a1 mini...

Man I hate tech space right now, every company grinding out as much money as possible anyway they can because "security"...

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Try out OrcaSlicer. Same UI as Bambu Studio, actually open source and has more features. Can even login to your Bambu account to sync your filament settings.

[–] epchris 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I have an order for a P1S that hasn't shipped yet but am now considering cancelling it and buying a Creality K1C. Anyone have thoughts on that as an alternative? It seems their multi material thing is coming out soon

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago

TBH I'd cancel independently of what printer you get as replacement. Only way to reach these companies is by cutting into their revenue.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'd probably cancel if it were me. Regretting not doing more research into bambu before buying my A1. I just heard they print well and not much fiddling. Bought it to replace my ender3

[–] epchris 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

I ended up canceling my order and in the form let them know the reason. They refunded me my money and didn't respond.

Now I'm trying to figure out what two actually get to replace my ender 3, currently trying to do research on the K1C and the Sovol SV08. I'm fine with tinkering, but I really want multiple color support

[–] [email protected] 4 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

If you don't care about multi-material, go off the deep end and build a Voron!

[–] epchris 3 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Oh, I've been tempted. It does seem like a little bit more than I want to take on right now, and I am really interested in multi material.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 hours ago

There's no denying that the build will take you a while - especially if you have a family and/or demanding job. There also isn't a great MMU option, which is a good reason to look elsewhere given your interest. I am vaguely interested in a MMU, but more so from a dual extruder perspective so I can print a pair like ASA and PETG for removable supports. Their printing temperature needs aren't compatible enough for a single extruder to make much sense.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 21 hours ago

If you're looking to do multimaterial creality just announced the kits to upgrade all the k1 machines to be compatible with their cfs. Last I checked the only viable mmu for the sv08 was coprint which is less than ideal imo.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Wait I missed something. What happened with bambulabs?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Might be this?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Oh that's not very poggers.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

Definitely not poggers enough.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

Just like you, I switched to LAN mode and I'm using Orca anyway. Gonna wait for it to blow over, it's still a great printer for the price but next one will most likely be Prusa. I'm still happy with my A1M+AMS, it's a great introduction to the hobby as far as I'm concerned. It's disappointing to see Bambulab behaving that way, I hope they change course.