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Plebbit is a peer-to-peer Reddit alternative that allows you to self host and own your own community (lemmy.world)
submitted 1 week ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
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Plebbit is a selfhosted, opensource, nonprofit social media protocol, this project was created due to wanting to give control of communication and data back to the people.

Plebbit only hosts text. Images from google and other sites can be linked/embedded in posts. This fixes the issue of hosting any nefarious content.

it has no central server, database, HTTP endpoint or DNS - it is pure peer to peer. Unlike federated instances, which are regular websites that can get deplatformed at any time,

ENS domain are used to name communities.

Plebbit currently offers different UIs. Old reddit and new reddit, 4chan, and have a Blog. Plebbit intend to have an app, internet archive, wiki and twitter and Lemmy. Choice is important. The backend/communities are shared across clients.

The code is fully open source on

https://github.com/plebbit

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This fixes the issue of hosting any nefarious content.

How does removing images change anything? Any file can be transmitted by text, as we used to do with e-mail, and you don't need to use images to make illegal or just intentionally offensive content.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (6 children)

Something tells me the "I don't host CSAM I just host posts that embed/link to CSAM (from other hosts)" argument won't hold up in court.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

... Ain't that just a website?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

It sounds like jest plain simple website/forum BUT with specific protocol making it more discoverable/searchable?

Allowing to post comments anonymously... sound like a bad idea in the long run, but who know, make me eat my words.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Allowing to post comments anonymously… sound like a bad idea in the long run, but who know, make me eat my words.

How so? Reddit and Lemmy do just that. There's nothing tying my username to me, and I'm guessing there's nothing typing yours to you.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

There's more abuse potential with full anonymity vs persistent pseudonyms

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I don't think that's necessarily true. The difference between 4chan and Reddit is pretty small, and abuse certainly happens on both platforms. It's pretty easy to swap out a pseudonym (I used to do it every 2-3 years on Reddit), so the difference between that and completely anonymous posts is pretty small.

If you tie accounts to a persistent identity (e.g. Facebook), you have an opportunity to address abuse, but you open yourself up to even more tracking by the service and your government, which I think is worse.

For me, tying online accounts to actual identity (e.g. government ids) is a no-go for me, so the abuse problem needs to be addressed another way. For lemmy, that's centralized moderation (per community and instance). For a P2P service, that means users opting-in to moderation (e.g. something like a web of trust), which should prevent them from seeing abuse in the first place since they won't see untrusted content.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The difference between 4chan and Reddit is pretty small

I'm sorry, but I sincerely doubt you've been on 4chan recently.

Reddit All Hot:

Reddit All New:

4chan /b/

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I don't see abuse in any of the pictures you posted.

My point isn't that 4chan and reddit are the same in every sense, just that the difference in abuse (specifically targeted abuse) isn't all that different between completely anonymous and persistent pseudonymns.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

No! bUt ThEy HaVe Ur EmAiL!!!!!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

But they don't. I have never given my email to Reddit or Lemmy. If I did, I'd use a throwaway email.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

No matter what choice you make, Lemmy or Plebbit or something else, it's clear that decentralized/federated services are the real future. The return of the torrent swarms but forum swarms instead.

At some point something clicked with everyone, and they realized "the cloud" is someone else's computer, someone else's property. We all collectively realized you never feel truly free when you're on someone else's property, you're always playing by their rules. At least with decentralization the levels of control are distributed so you have less of one person wresting control from anyone else.

It's a bit like growing your own garden. You do it because you know what you're putting into your garden and getting out of it. If you choose to use pesticides, that's your choice, and no one else's. When you choose how to run your own self-hosted services, it becomes your choice what comes and goes from your network.

I'm glad to be part of the self-hosting future here.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Unfortunately for the fediverse, most regular users want to use their twitters and facebooks and instagrams and whatnot. I don’t see regular users switching over. And if they did, you know the big guys would come up with something to compete.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Embrase, Extend, Extinguish maybe :(

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

Unfortunately, that seems to be how things go.

That said, I am working on my own Reddit alternative, which at least keeps me out of trouble. If it ever goes big, it'll get squashed by the big tech companies, but at least I'll have the satisfaction of building something cool.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

From the whitepaper it seems like you cannot comment at all? Or each comment is a post also, so you need a server, you need to host it to be able to reply? I don't see a mention how an upvote/downvote system could work.

How this is even similar to reddit? From what I could find it's much like a topic based microblogging, and it's a very one way communication. As it's similar to IPFS and torrent, which are also very one way communication. Seems like an interesting idea, but I don't see why it was compared to reddit.

Personal opinion, IPFS clones are reinvented about every year, and because they sound very good on paper, but noone could figure out a legit usecase - maybe except piracy - they fail after a while. Maybe if we would become an actual InterPlanetary species with colonies on Mars they could be useful, but until I don't really see a point trying it again and again and again...

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I don't think that it's that you can't comment at all, it's almost rather that you can only comment.

Plebbit only hosts text. Images from google and other sites can be linked/embedded in posts. This fixes the issue of hosting any nefarious content.

You can link to other things and embed them in a text post using code, but there is no ability to upload anything, so the content really is all just text (since links are created using text commands).

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

base64 image is just text...

How do you stop someone posting base64 encoded CSAM. And as it is "censorship resistant" you can't even remove it.... It was even a problem here in Lemmy, assholes are around the internet to destroy anything.

Also cryptobros:

The captcha service can be replaced by other "anti-spam strategies", such proof of balance of a certain cryptocurrency. For example, a subplebbit owner might require that posts be signed by users holding at least 1 ETH, or at least 1 token of his choice.

The more I read about this it sounds more and more terrible.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

I like the concept, and truly hope it takes off, but holy fuck is it slow to load content on any of the first 2 web clients off the main website, plebbones took forever just to load the interface so I left.

As of right now, if it's taking 2-3 minutes just to load the content of the tiny user base, I don't see how it'll be "infinitely scalable"

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

I really like that dev is ambitious here and have my fingers crossed 🤞🏼

The more self hosted alternatives we have the better, maybe someday I'll need one 😁

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