Who has the least ethical job at Lockheed?
My money is on the salesman, "this bad boy can kill so many children"
this post was submitted on 22 Dec 2024
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By shifting what you sell to “this bad boy can disperse your targeted package across an area x by y in z time frame” instead of “we can turn the entire school to rubble” you help them sleep at night.
Consider for instance some comfortable English professor defending Russian totalitarianism. He cannot say outright, ‘I believe in killing off your opponents when you can get good results by doing so’. Probably, therefore, he will say something like this:
‘While freely conceding that the Soviet regime exhibits certain features which the humanitarian may be inclined to deplore, we must, I think, agree that a certain curtailment of the right to political opposition is an unavoidable concomitant of transitional periods, and that the rigors which the Russian people have been called upon to undergo have been amply justified in the sphere of concrete achievement.’
- George Orwell
Boy Boy has a video where they sneak into a military weapons convention.
One guy was selling crowd control armor and advertised the dissociation from your actions that armor like that creates, divorcing you from guilt.
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Selling out being an option for people just means the system is working as intended. People are so poor they are willing to compromise their morals to keep food on the table
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I had a job offer from Cambridge Analytica, they were up front about the work they were doing as well as the pay. Though it was tempting to sell my soul for the pay, even I have my limits.
I had an interview with a “mass email” provider. By the time I left it was clear to both of us that no way in hell.
Is it bad that I consider this much worse than a defense company? Lockheed has some cool tech and help protect my country, at the huge cost of killing so many. Cambridge Analytica indiscriminately attacks people’s privacy, all people, and for profit with no hint at a good purpose
I’m sure I still don’t appreciate that historically speaking the world has been quite a dangerous place.
I’m not a fan of dead kids or rich men sending the young to die for them, but I cannot deny my lifestyle significantly benefits from the fact top military spenders align with my ideology. (e.g. I’m better off with a powerful USA than North Korea)
Would be interesting if a new generation of principled Americans were responsible for a change where defense contractors knew to attract modern talent they had to provide assurances against outputs being used for evil. I’m naïve enough to think that might be possible.
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Before I went independent, I made many thousands of parts for General Dynamics up to and including missile housings. It's a shitty feeling.
Raytheon too. Job offer was $$$weet, but it was related to making missiles even more efficient.
No, I don't think we need to turn brown kids into skeletons yet more efficiently, thanks.
What if you're making the missiles more accurate?
Someone else can solve that. None of us has infinite energy, so imma use what I got on what I want.
It ain't weapons, bub.
I got a Raytheon for missile targeting systems. Didn't want it on my conscience and got another offer for slightly less money but way more ethical of a company a week later.
Sweet, glad that worked out for you. I've learned for certain types of work I gotta ask whether it's on the attack vs defense side of military work; at least a couple of interviewers have been taken aback by such an apparently blunt question, that it "isn't such a relevant question".
In my mind, both times I was wondering why they thought I'd be happy with coming to work every day if it was for something even possibly negative. Engineers get paid to pay attention to details, the fuck wouldn't I be able to piece this shit together from within?
Compartmentalization is a cute concept on paper. 🙄
This reads like you are buying missiles
After a history of ethically questionable jobs, I thought I had escaped it into something almost benign where we were only wasting the money of other companies.
Recently we started going balls deep into making AI products, and I feel very uncomfortable with it
Lots of refreshingly, considered takes on Lemmy today
Before reading the text I was expecting a Saddam joke. After reading seems even more applicable.