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[–] [email protected] 15 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Yes, yes! I knew it would work. Seems like pretty much everybody got the same idea at the same time and it's working a treat. If you can't defeat your enemies, turn them against each other!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 hours ago

Actually was more so dems understanding the situation were in

The “President Musk” messaging is by design, at least partially. This week, according to a source with direct knowledge of the matter and another person briefed on it, at senior levels of different Democratic congressional offices, and also within the Democratic National Committee, discussions have been had about having party leaders and elected officials actively portray Musk as effectively Trump’s boss, and to do so during television appearances that the president-elect is likely to see. The idea is that it’s a cost-free opportunity to potentially drive a petty wedge between the notably mercurial and ego-obsessed Trump and his similarly emotive pal Musk, and to sow some chaos in the upper ranks of the Republican Party.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/president-musk-dems-troll-trump-elon-1235211922/

[–] [email protected] 17 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

Now would be a good time for a reminder that there is no such thing as a moral billionaire. Scientifically, sane people retire to lives of luxury with their families long before they reach that level of wealth. The only reason to seek such wealth is out of a sick desire to control other human beings. Religiously, scripture says that there are no wealthy people in paradise. In the end, they all burn. Scientifically or religiously, you do not become a billionaire unless there is something broken in your soul.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 hours ago

That's why it says the oft misquoted "the love of money is the heart of all evil." That "love" is the key part of that equation.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

How has 'what is moral' come to be scientifically settled?

Different cultures across the world have different morals. Yet for this statement to be true, there must be an agreed scientific consensus on a quantitative metric and its impact on a fundamentally unscientific det of cultural rules.

The appeal to scientific authority in this statement undermines a good moral argument to be made about inequity and excessive individual rights to property.

This is just a call to some pop-science, at best, meant to engage the rage. It has no better scientific basis than trickle down economics does.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Do not put words in my mouth. I said nothing of scientific morality.

I said that different people work for different reasons. Sane people work to achieve the necessities of life, providing a means to support themselves and their families. Sane people, with healthy relationships and interests, value things other than work. Once you have enough to live in luxury for a dozen lifetimes, you are no longer pursuing things like friends, family, hobbies, etc. You are instead working primarily because you are a psychopath who gets off on lording power over others. The only thing that billions in wealth gets you is power and influence over others. That's literally its only utility.

There are no moral billionaires. If you seek that level of wealth, there is something fundamentally broken in your soul. You need to be involuntarily committed to an insane asylum, as you are pathologically addicted to money and power.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 hours ago

Claiming a scientific authority that doesn't exist and someone calling you on it, isn't putting words in your mouth. Its a reaction to an unjustified claim to authority, that undermines that authority when it is actually appropriate.

It also undermines your own argument. Its good to see you're reply shifted position.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

"I AM SPARTACUS!".
"NO YOU ARE NOT! I AM SPARTACUS!".
"NUH-UH!" "AM SO!"

"Bruh, what are these dorks going on about? Pass me another brew and fire up that J."

[–] [email protected] 7 points 12 hours ago

The narcissists are fiiiightiiiiing!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 hours ago

"I am an alpha male."

[–] [email protected] 8 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Good..I hope they tear each other to pieces.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 12 hours ago

maybe we'll be lucky and they'll be too busy tearing each other apart that they won't have time to tear this country apart.

[–] [email protected] 52 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

So we really did get our second African American President.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 12 hours ago

First illegal immigrant President, too.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

wHeRe'S tHe BiRtH cERtIfIcAtE

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Something wrong with your eyes, Bizzle? It's right here. *hands over a fat wad of cash*

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 hours ago

Time to lean fully into this: Elon is doing all this to expose the ridiculous control money has over politics

[–] [email protected] 29 points 20 hours ago

I would think Trump pretending to be fabulously wealthy but being exposed as a populist grifter, and Elon being the richest guy in the world, would hang in the air like Trump's stench.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

This dude is so fucking easy to manipulate.

Really, the exact trait that I want in a leader 🙄

[–] [email protected] 7 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

If he's so easy to manipulate, then why don't you do it?

No seriously please, help us.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 12 hours ago

Its the ones comfortable with manipulating people that are precisely what we do not want help from

[–] [email protected] 21 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

What, junior assistent deputy backup "president" Donald Trump is furious that President Elon Musk outranks him and gives him orders? He cannot be mad at President Elon Musk, President Elon Musk could order a nuclear strike on his house, does lowly Donald Trump not know that? He should thank his President Elon Musk for bringing him with him to the white house, Elon Musk's new residence!

[–] [email protected] 12 points 20 hours ago

So which one gets into a horrible accident /assassination?

Either one has the willingness and lack of foresight to take out the other

[–] [email protected] 166 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Oooooooo, President Elon is gonna be pissed at poor man Trump and cut off his funding.

Trump better shape up and kiss the ring.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 day ago

Yeah, how dare Trump talk to his superior, Elon Musk, like that?? It’s unconscionable!

[–] [email protected] 117 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I predicted this a while back: Having two thin-skinned megalomaniacs working together never works out in the long run. Trump and Elon are both too dysfunctional even to be able to work individually with patient people without it going off the rails. Having them working together with each other is doomed to explosive failure eventually.

[–] [email protected] 59 points 1 day ago

The funny part is Trump doesn't even take office for another month, the relationship might fall apart before he's even inaugurated and actually in power, let alone lasting "long term".

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 day ago

Did someone say murder-suicide?

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yessssss poke the thin skinned bears... Have them tear each other apart

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago

Can we not insult bears with this comparison, even the weakest, dumbest, most cowardly bear is still leagues better than them. Except Koala but they arent even real bears so fuck em, Nazi punks of the bear world.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 day ago

Trump is pretty vulnerable. He won’t complete his full term

[–] [email protected] 76 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It would be helpful to constantly remind Donnie that Musk is about 100 times richer than him, too.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Probably more considering that Trump's wealth is based on lies

[–] msage 6 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

And Musk's isn't?

The whole Tesla bubble is all lies all the way. I don't follow other companies, but I would expect it to be the same.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 12 hours ago

His is stock valuation, Trump's is home made real estate valuation.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Why are they calling journalists? I thought all the news was fake.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago

Yeah, I thought journalist always called him. Him being a "ratings machine" and all.

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Did it stop being president Putin, or is Trump just getting spitroasted by both of them simultaneously?

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I would like to return one mental image please

[–] [email protected] 2 points 12 hours ago

It’s intriguing, though, who’s in front, who’s in the back, and does it even mean anything?

[–] [email protected] 55 points 1 day ago

Sounds like he might be easy to manipulate by the media.

Did you hear that Trump is just following orders from the religious right, that Christian nationalists are the true president? All his anti abortion and anti socialism stuff is just following orders from his master.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I predict this will be an ongoing but toxic thing, like a really bad relationship between two people who just won’t break up.

They’ve essentially married themselves to each others’ power… But also, they literally need entire media platforms to stroke their egos.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Except Joe Biden is president of the United States…

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago

President-elect Musk it is then

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 day ago (4 children)

I had this discussion with people IRL recently, wondering who the real power behind the throne was, because when they let him do interviews on his own, it's clear the orange figurehead is too far gone with dementia to be this organized and focused on the transition. I hope that the real power behind the throne is Leon, because he's so stupid. Dangerous, yes, but not as insidiously dangerous as somebody smart.

In any case, I want this to be true. It's exactly what I would've predicted, so I'll keep calling him President Musk.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

Hear me out: put them in a ring and let the gladiator games begin. Let the ego flow. It's best for all of us.

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