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I'd sincerely recommend everyone to read his manifesto and think about it a little bit.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Also, we're still wondering if the McSnitch is getting their reward money. The last I heard they were thinking about withholding it.

And that would be such a great propaganda point to show that US law enforcement doesn't regard the rest of us as full persons / citizens and will cheat us out of our due even when we cooperate. So yeah, no-one sees nothing. Ever. You're a collaborator if you do.

Zero Witnesses.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 31 minutes ago* (last edited 6 minutes ago)

He'll get a jersey from the local police department.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 hours ago

Are we fucking with sofas again?

This is one of my dystopian thriller elements: If the police can't find the culprit of a high-profile crime, then they find someone, plant an orgy of evidence and railroad him into capital punishment or life in a supermax. Just to show that the long arm of the law always wins.

Doing a for-real investigation and just disappearing / killing off any likely suspects is optional, depending on how vengeful the elites feel about it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 hours ago

You would think the police would pick someone who wasn’t so photogenic.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Grow unibrow and beard

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 hours ago

Here's what I might do if I couldn't catch a murderer but wanted to make an example anyway, and I had access to AI art that was very good at getting approximately accurate images of people...

[–] [email protected] 16 points 16 hours ago

I still don't think he's the same guy who shot the CEO, it's clearly for me a different person in the photos...

However, at this point this changes nothing of what's going to happen, anyone caught for this would be facing the same charges. Let's hope the jury feels as we all do and lets him walk

[–] [email protected] 34 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

They planned evidence because they used illegal means to identify him

[–] [email protected] 4 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

That would be a terrible idea. If they identified him using illegal means, any evidence found as a result would be inadmissible. It's fruit of the poisoned tree.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 17 hours ago

It doesn't matter. One of the world's rulers was gunned down so they are bringing the book down on him. Anything goes.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 17 hours ago

Still more plausible than the cops saying "well fuck it he's gone" and finding a lookalike to take the fall like a day after the shooting.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 17 hours ago

4chan op has a tenuous grasp of how time and pictures work.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 17 hours ago

Luigi is innocent. A witness across the street stated they didn't hear gunshots at the time.

Eric's head just did that.

[–] [email protected] 62 points 1 day ago

I was suspicious at first too, but now as weird as the whole scenario looks my skepticism has weakened (e.g. people say he's been missing from work during the shooting, the unibrow may have been simply visually deformed by the shitty camera, etc.).

But you know what, I think it's better to stop trying to be smarter than what is reasonably possible, and at the very least wait and see what he and his lawyer will have to say in the court. E.g. if the evidence was fabricated, they will certainly try to argue that. Not everything about the story will clear up, but some things can, and I say it's better to wait it out with a bit of patience.

Besides, what if it really wasn't Luigi and we've all been duped? How will the fanboys and fangirls lusting after him feel? What will the smart businessmen do with their leftover Saint Luigi candles?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 18 hours ago

What does everyone think they do with all their biometric and Face ID data? Throw a shitty algorithm against this data cross referencing a pic from a grainy security feed and in this post truth era, 100% of crimes are now solvable.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (8 children)

I have said it once and I will say it again: I am genuinely shocked at just how many people, especially on Lemmy, are just accepting that Luigi is the real shooter. I haven't believed it for one minute and the only thing that will make me believe it is audio proof of Luigi confessing while not under duress.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (2 children)

Why would you think the feds want the wrong guy? Because what they want the actual killer to be roaming free.

What happens if the real killer does another hit in a few weeks? The Feds just be like erm nah this is a copycat we will get him too.

Occam's razor.

Also this post is filled with misinformation itself. There are plenty of 3D printed gun demos on YouTube where the guns don’t explode.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

You don't seriously think that the feds are trying to keep America safe, do you? The feds and NYPD all need to have someone in jail so they can claim that they did a good job. They want to brag about how accomplished they are.

There is no duty to protect and serve. The police do not have to protect you, and they don't on a regular basis. I know you might have heard that growing up, but it's just not true.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 17 hours ago

If the "real" shooter hits again, that illusion SHATTERS. It's a terrible play.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 17 hours ago

Also as far as I'm aware it wasn't a fully 3d printed gun, rather a 3d printed lower for a Glock. The lower doesn't have to handle anywhere near the levels of pressure that the upper does, so is unlikely to break when firing.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Personally, it seems more likely to me that he never expected to get away with it for as long as he did, didn't really have a plan beyond getting out of NYC, and went to that McDonald's to get caught.

Maybe I'm wrong, that's completely possible. But... I dunno... a lot of eyes are on this case. It would be very very dumb of the cops to manufacture a suspect with all the attention on this. Maybe they are that dumb...

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 day ago

Never underestimate how incompetent the American police are

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 day ago (6 children)

More likely he had no real semblance of getting away with it and just happened to escape due to the incompetence of the NYPD.

People who typically go through these plans are not the most mentally stable, he was probably expecting to be caught so he wrote his manifesto beforehand and thought he'd try to see how far he could get.

Most of all, he probably did not expect the authorities fail to ID him, which is also why he made it for so long.

Even the Mcdonalds employee might have reported him for other reasons like loitering or general sketchiness and not because they thought he was the shooter.

Still I think it's funny how he inadvertently proved the ease of crime with pretty basic rules. Any sort of organized crime, especially one off jobs could probably do it even more discretely and get away with it.

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[–] [email protected] 130 points 1 day ago (17 children)

Important to note: 3D PRINTED FIREARMS DO NOT BREAK WITH A FEW USES

Firsthand knowledge.

200-250 rounds and still going strong, inspected before and after firing every time

No damage so far.

Beyond that point, I agree with everything posted.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 16 hours ago

I was coming here to say this, I have an (unfinished) semi-auto 9mm carbine and its only part from a real gun is a barrel from a Glock because I didn't feel like making my own XD

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Yeah, the early 3D printed guns were garbage, but modern ones are much more durable. Changes in design have allowed for the use of off-the-shelf parts for the most important moving pieces, which means you have the durability of those off-the-shelf parts instead. The 3D print is basically just holding the machined parts together.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 21 hours ago

it's not like homemade guns are a new thing, it's just that now we can make them not look like pipe guns from fallout 4

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Yeah 3d printed gun is such a misnomer for most of the "ghost guns", the gun he had was just the printed frame. That section of the 3d printing community isn't really my scene but that seems to be what I've seen for all the printed guns, lower/frame with barrel and trigger assembly being metal pieces. I think years ago I saw a modern reinterpreting of the WW2 Liberator that was done in all plastic but that's obviously designed to shoot only once.

I'm sure you know more about the scene than I do and can correct or verify my knowledge.

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[–] [email protected] 152 points 1 day ago (16 children)

A minor correction, 3D printed guns are fairly reliable nowadays when made in a way such that all pressure bearing parts are made with metal/factory made regular parts

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 day ago

First thing in the manifesto "yeah the cops are still really cool and I like them"

[–] [email protected] 103 points 1 day ago (10 children)

Don’t forget his confession said how much he respects the feds and the hard work they do

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 day ago

Usual reminder that everything pigs say is false until proven otherwise

[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 day ago

to be clear on the “3d printed guns explode after 3 shots” thing.

It depends. If it’s 100% 3d printed parts, including bolt/slide and barrel, then yah, a few shots is the most you’d get out of it.

But most “3d printed guns” are using off the shelf barrels and bolts/slides, parts that are usually not registered and tracked. The parts that are register and tracked are usually the parts that hold trigger assemblies and grips, things that can be made of plastic since they’re not directly handling the stress of firing.

So the fact that the gun (the suspect was arrested with) is intact doesn’t mean it was never used. It also doesn’t mean it was definitely the gun used.

The situation still seems weird, but, we’ll see what the different parties have to say on the matter when they go to trial.

[–] [email protected] 65 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

potential explanations:

it's him and he genuinely wasn't running (as his confession suggests), whilst also being chased by the police surveillance state, so even if he was running it would take meticulous planning to truly avoid the cops.

it's him and he planned to get caught and the confession, the inconsistencies etc. are intended to make prosecuting him "without a doubt" incredibly difficult. You can bet money on his lawyer knowing a lot of these inconsistencies too, and exploiting them in court.

it's him but he's trying to obscure his motives etc. for [reason]. (unlikely)

it isn't him but a lookalike who's being framed for it because of [conspiracy theory]. (unlikely)

it isn't him but a lookalike who framed themselves for [reason]. (unlikely)

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 day ago (1 children)

it isn't him but a lookalike who's being framed for it because of [conspiracy theory]. (unlikely)

Because the cops can't find the real killer but they have to present someone. Saying "we can't find him" is not an option for them right now. They must present a killer to maintain image. If a killer is not presented then this shot will be heard round the world as the starting gun for a class war. There is no situation in which NCPD will be allowed to not present a killer for swift justice.

Therefore, if they really actually can't find the guy because he covered his tracks well.... Well, they received an anonymous tip from a McDonald's about a guy that kind of looks like their guy. Better go bag him so they've got something to show for this big manhunt that can appease the overlords.

The reaction of Luigi himself so far is the only thing that gives me pause about this, because he doesn't really seem to be denying any of it was him. But I also don't think he's actually had a chance to speak in court, or rather for his lawyer to speak for him, and is maybe making the intelligent move called "shutting the fuck up". We will have to see what gets said in court later. But if he does own up to it, then it means either he definitely is actually The Adjuster or else he's intentionally choosing to take the fall for whoever is. I find the second option unlikely but not impossible, but it's too conspiracy-theory for me to back it seriously, and if that really is what he's doing then I ain't no snitch anyway. Just write Luigi down in the history books and call it a day.

But at the end of the day the list of evidence the cops claim to have found on him is one of the fishiest police stories I've ever read, and that's saying something because I'm an American that tracks the news regularly.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The first thing he shouted from the car taking him to the courthouse fit the idea that this was all planted:

it's completely unjust! It's an insult to the intelligence of the American people!"

To me that reads: this is dishonest and unfair because it wasn't me it's an insult to USians intelligence because I don't even look like him. (My inferences in italics.)

It was reported on Dec 10 that he said the money was planted on him.

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[–] [email protected] 73 points 1 day ago (1 children)

my man Luigi's taking the fall for the real hero, is there nothing this handsome , suffering soul won't do for good?

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