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TP-link is reportedly being investigated over national security concerns linked to vulnerabilities in its very popular routers.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 hour ago

maybe the us should try actually investing in their own infrastructure instead of just relying on rabid xenophobia and sinophobia

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 hours ago

Why so late ? Of course this should have been zone before. It's a question of sécurité.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

law that prohibits attempts at monopolies

Why hasn't this law been used before for so many other things, like all cash burn tech startups such as Uber, etc? Genuine question not being sarcastic...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago

Well in my country uber isn't a monopoly because it eexists indrive and others also actually I think there's a healthy competition

[–] [email protected] 25 points 15 hours ago (14 children)

So who tf is left who makes good wireless routers? When I bought my tp-link it was top rated and recommended by everyone.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, most of those sites end up recommending the same brands over and over, which causes people to buy them and talk about them. I don't want to say, a scam, but it feels... scummy.

They never talk about other brands like Ubiquiti. Which isn't a perfect brand either, but I've never seen it compared. Or even a low end Netgate. It's always TP-Link, Asus, Netgear, Linksys, or D-Link... the same brands that have existed for the last 20 years offering crap. But Ubiquiti, Hawking, Belkin, etc. you basically never see.

I just googled it. Top 3 sites were wired.com, pcmag.com, and reddit.com/r/HomeNetworking (with a top comment pointing to cnet.com and nytime.com). And if you guessed TP-Link was recommended no.1 on all of them, you'd be right. To me, with the absolute garbage reviews on all of them, and the stupidity small sample size, it feels like TP-Link just buys the reviews because customers will read the reviews and buy their garbage. There was a mattress company that did something very similar years ago. The deck is stacked against customers.

And especially scummy, is TP-Link offers some cheaply made, highly marked up garbage that underperforms. They also are notorious for not delivering consistent updates to their routers. Maybe one or two updates, and they certainly don't care if all the features don't work. Just looked up one I bought from them before I wised up, the Archer C5400. 2 updates on a $200 router, that came highly recommended. Checked the v2, and also just 2 updates. I doubt it'll ever see another.

On top of their terrible support and pathetic hardware... they also moved to a cloud SaaS config model. They want you to sign up for an account and use TP-Link Tether. Here's something written up 3 years ago on [reddit](https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/tbthjj/psa_newer_tplink_routers_send_all_your_web/}

My general suggestion for most people who want something that just works and is easy to use... the Ubiquiti Dream router isn't a bad option. It's not the best, but if you don't want to really get into how networking works, it's a good option.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I'm a techie, but I'm past the point where I want to tinker and mess with my stuff for hours or days to get it up and running. I'm sure the enterprise grade options are better, but I just want some plug and play option that at least allows me access to the more detailed stuff if needed. This looks like a solid recommend.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 hours ago

Here’s a recommendation: GL•iNet

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[–] [email protected] 109 points 1 day ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (8 children)

We have this really great approach to security where we allow the adversary to infiltrate a huge portion of our infrastructure for years and at many different levels, and then we say "hm, maybe we shouldn't be allowing this?"

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Does it matter now? The alternatives are either Chinese companies, made in China, or filled with Chinese parts.

I'll give China credit, they've stitched everyone else right up, and we slurped it down because we're a sucker for cheap shit.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago

You can buy plenty of American made routers and other hardware that isn't quite as shady. But like you said, we love our cheap shit here, and don't give its malicious intent a second thought.

And no, it does not matter now, that's sort of my point. Pandora's box has been opened.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Almost like it has less to do with security and more to do with securitization of economic competition.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 23 hours ago (3 children)

If you really think this is just about economic competition, you're very wrong.

The FBI didn't recommend using encrypted messaging apps because our infrastructure being compromised is no biggie.

These are computers manufactured by and in a foreign country that's expressed mutual hostility to the US. Computers follow instructions and manufacturers are in the best positioning to add custom instructions like "if you receive this instruction, brick yourself."

After the cyber attacks in the last decade people should realize crypto scammers aren't the only one's that have an interest in shutting down important infrastructure.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

The US government is just upset because it’s harder to place back doors in non-US hardware. It’s a US national security concern to NOT have US back doors in devices.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago

And China probably also installs backdoors

[–] [email protected] 15 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (3 children)

That's not all. The US government exists to look out for the interests of wealthy americans.

Every dollar spent on a different nation is a dollar that could've been spent on them, in their eyes.

American business owners know that China is competitive because they can provide better products at cheaper prices. Americans would need to invest in making their products better or lower prices to compete with China. Both result in lower profits for owners.

This is why we will never stop seeing FUD against products that offer us a better deal than those looking to exploit us further. It's more profitable to convince useful idiots to "buy american" than it is to actually sell them products worth buying at competitive prices.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 hours ago

Countries like China, Germany, Taiwan, etc. have competitive exports because they have direct and indirect subsidies to their manufacturing sectors at the expense of their household sector.

Some of these subsidies include a weak currency relative to their economy, weakened labour laws, preferential interest rates, capital controls, labour movement restrictions, etc.

China uses all of these. Germany primarily used the Hartz "reforms" which basically decoupled wage growth from productivity and GDP growth.

The reduces the household share of national income and they cannot afford to consume the production of their manufacturing sector and therefore the excess production must be exported.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 15 hours ago

Damn, maybe we should have some kind of privacy law that could have prevented this behavior from ever being allowed in the first place.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 22 hours ago (12 children)

I'd personally hope they just force open sourcing their firmwares if they want to stay in the market. I really like my Omada stuff, ubiquiti is just a tough pill to swallow on price.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 23 hours ago (18 children)

Running OpenWRT is generally a good idea. I’m not gonna lie and say it’s easy to setup. But it’s worth it.

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