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"I think it's time to tell the military-industrial complex they cannot get everything they want," said Sen. Bernie Sanders. "It's time to pay attention to the needs of working families."

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 14 hours ago

Is ripping more or less severe than slamming someone?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

“I think it’s time to tell the military-industrial complex they cannot get everything they want"

is he talking about active servicepeople because we've been there since forever

[–] [email protected] 14 points 16 hours ago (8 children)

MIC is the private companies that supply/support the military and profit from it. Everything from fuel to uniforms to electrical wiring in the bases.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 19 hours ago

Of course not, active servicepeople are just another currency to the military-industrial complex.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Defund the police and military.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 17 hours ago (3 children)

Only a Sith deals in absolutes. I think "Defund" is a bit drastic given the current state of the world, but it is possible that we don't need to maintain 11 aircraft carriers, in the same way that every small town Pennsylvania Police department doesn't need their very own armored personnel carrier. Moderation in all things.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

The problem is we maintain half of them forward deployed in roughly 3 areas at any one time.

But yeah that's why our military is so expensive. If it wasn't constantly forward deployed it would be much cheaper.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 15 hours ago

We really should be working with our allies to get their own military in the area. Mainly in Europe. If I'm being realistic, we probably will never leave Asia.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (6 children)

Defund is the only slogan that has had actual sticking power though. To have nuance on this topic and have it actually matter, you would have to create a new slogan on the same level. Otherwise you're just armchair politicking from the internet same as everyone else

Now, with that out of the way, defund is still a good slogan. The primary reason is if we defund the police then we can create something that is not called police that isn't beholden to all of the laws and regulations and the corrupt unions that perpetuate the current systemic problems

Defund as a slogan is about cutting past the red tape of reform and starting from scratch to build something systemically better

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

"Don't defund them, just reduce the amount of funds they can spend aircradt carriers and remove the funds for armored vehicles."

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

Ya, basically. Particularly with the APCs, eliminate the military surplus purchase program that lets cops have war machines for pennies as long as they find a way to use them.

SPOILERThey ALWAYS will

I don't like cops either, but having ZERO law enforcement is the same thing as pure anarchy.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 hours ago

I'm saying that reducing funds is literally defunding

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 day ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (4 children)

Billions for Ukraine? No debate, full send. Billions for Israel? No debate, full send. Billions for healthcare? Whoa whoa whoa, gotta balance that budget!

Edit: if you prefer, forget I said healthcare and substitute in anything else that would help the working class.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

THE ISSUE IS NOT GIVING MORE MONEY TO HEALTHCARE.

Healthcare is our largest expense. The issue is the money going there, which can easily fund universal healthcare, doesn't go towards helping people, it goes towards a select number of people.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

If my taxes went up $1000 a month I would still be saving money with universal healthcare

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

The point is it doesn't need to. We could easily fund it

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 hours ago

Right. But either way it's an invalid argument. We don't need to raise taxes, but even if we did it's still worth it.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (2 children)

Extra spending on health care is not actually required (even though america could afford it). Americans spent more per capita on health care than anyone else already. American health spending is extremely inefficient, with parasites like for-profit insurance (whose profits and much of their revenue are literally just inefficiency in the system) embedded at every layer. The problem is that allowing it to get to this state means many of these bad actors will gladly spend hundreds of millions on politicians and ads to defend the billions they make, and American voters are easily confused.

If you call profits a bad thing too many times you get called a communist or whatever even though in this case it's objectively true. The shooting of that parasite CEO should have brought this into focus - that worthless person profited directly from making people's health care expenditures less efficient (and also from the corresponding human suffering in case anyone cares).

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 hours ago

Health is not "spending money". It's an investment that leads to less sick workers. Healthy workers work faster and better, being more productive.

(That's the only way I see some bastards will understand the profit in public universal healthcare)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 21 hours ago

I agree with all of that. Almost wish I hadn't used healthcare as an example since there's plenty of other programs that suffer from low funding.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

the US already allocates $1.5 trillion for direct healthcare spending

[–] [email protected] 4 points 21 hours ago

If you don't like healthcare as an example, choose anything else that helps the working class. I don't just mean adding new money either, but how eager they are to make cuts to existing programs.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Every single time someone brings up anything about cost and the government, ask them how much money the DoD loses every year. Every single time.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 20 hours ago

see the dod brings in money because of pineapples and crack

[–] [email protected] 78 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Our military budget is beyond ridiculous and one of the biggest waste of money are our own contractors. We've watched them charge the govt $1500 for a $10 bearing and the list of contractors has continued to shrink with a long list of acquisitions that have killed all competition. I can't imagine what this country could be if we spend half of that budget on education and modern infrastructure.

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