won't be fired or ostracized for it.
Wanna bet?
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Of course you can. You're not free from consequences of what you said though. The internet remembers EVERYTHING. Especially on federated platforms like lemmy. Some of my first messages on newsgroups in the 1990's are still floating around the internet.
Although, what are the odds someone goes to the length to match writing style and personal details that you let slip while using a pseudonymous account against an online presence where you are identifiable?
I’m sure it’s possible, especially if there’s a reason you might be targeted, but I imagine it’s still pretty challenging and time consuming
That's old style thinking. If that type of matching isn't already automated and running, it will be soon. They'll click a button and find you everywhere if you've left enough breadcrumbs, so there won't be any lengths to go to. And as someone who has gone through the cybersec exercises of hardening browsers against fingerprinting, knows what VPN can do and more importantly what it CAN'T do, etc, I can say there are precious few people in the world going to the lengths required to stay truly anonymous. It basically has to become your top priority and constant focus if you want to be successful.
I guess a better question then - when is the juice worth the squeeze?
Like, I’m sure that government agencies have an interest in tracking who is making what comments pseudonymously online, but it would take a lot of effort, computers, money, energy, etc to constantly scan and store information for everyone, right?
Which is where we get into different levels of security - I’m going to try harder to hide my identity if I were to pirate a movie vs browsing Wikipedia.
I guess the question is: who is motivated to collect what information, and what needs to be done to make that identifying information useless for them to connect the dots?
but it would take a lot of effort, computers, money, energy, etc to constantly scan and store information for everyone, right?
You are describing PRISM and it's been running since 2007.
When they realized how much storage it was going to take the US Government built the UDC at Camp Williams in Utah.
Well shit.
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Never say anything you aren't willing to stand behind. Because it won't go away. And with authoritarian regimes coming to power... you gotta be cognizant of the potential consequences
But generally, I agree with you. The further we get away from groupthink the better we are for it. When we self-censor out of fear of disapproval we are perpetuating the cycle and making it more likely the next person doesn't speak their mind.
Just because everyone believes something is right, does not mean it is. The majority has been wrong in the past and it will be wrong in the future.
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You can be fired for what you say if it is linked back to you. That actually happens pretty regularly
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On the internet you can just freely say what you really think even if you know it's unpopular.
This advice is SUPER dependent on where you live. People in the Middle East have been executed for saying the wrong thing on the Internet. People in the UK have been imprisoned for saying the wrong thing online. Criticize social policy or Government in China and its quite possible you'll be off to prison.
Even in the good Ol' USA there's limits to how free your speech can be online.
Lol sounda like it bro's first time online
I’d rather be new and decent than experienced and dismissive - thank you for the perspective.
If people are saying something you disagree with you can just say it and you won’t be fired or ostracized for it.
But you can be banned which is pretty much the online equivalent to being fired or kicked out of school.
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On the other hand, no one is obligated to listen to you, and freedom of speech does not equal freedom from the consequences of said speech. If you voice an unpopular opinion, be prepared to not be popular.
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Pineapple is allowed on pizza
Yeah, people will probably get angry and say mean things to you but those are just words which can be ignored. Offence is taken, not given.
This is naïve. The no one likes being insulted and downvoted for expressing their views. Sure, it doesn’t bother some people as much as others, but it’s not a conscious choice to “just ignore it,” as though that will prevent any negative feelings. The reality is that people with unpopular views stay silent to avoid these consequences, and that’s an entirely rational choice. You would do better to spend your time chastising people who attack those with unpopular views than to try to convince those with unpopular views to willingly expose themselves to online abuse.
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I've often been banned, blocked, or mass downvoted for saying something unpopular.
Downvotes mean pretty much nothing
And that's why I tag users lol (sorry, wouldn't normally share this, but enjoyed the irony of it being in this thread).
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True, but the first two don't.
Just like you're free to say it, others are free to not listen. If an user blocks you then so be it - I'm sure you've blocked people as well. Downvotes on the other hand are equivalent to mean comments; it can just be ignored. Getting banned is a real risk though, I'll give you that, but then again, you can just make a new account.
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YSK too that not everything that's said has equal value or merit.
This is important for both expressing and hearing/reading opinions.
I heard op of this post is the actual shooter in the murder of the Brian Thompson case. Sources say he went mad after his claim to be turned into a cat e girl was denied by united
Source-trust me bro
That's patently false.
Ironically one of the first comments I saw in this post was "deleted by a moderator." I guess that person doesn't get to say whatever they want.
Lemmy is only pseudonymous and is a bit of an echo chamber. Lots of things you write or otherwise share on the Internet (here or elsewhere) can come back to haunt you.
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It's just words on a screen. Easy enough to scroll on by without commenting. On my screen, upvote usually means 'thanks for sharing' rather then agreement.
If people are saying something you disagree with you can just say it and you won't be fired or ostracized for it. Yeah, people will probably get angry and say mean things to you but those are just words which can be ignored.
What is the purpose, then? If I can't ignore others, others can ignore you. This only lead to useless, unsatisfactory, unproductive and dumb arguments with random people on internet.
Freedom to speak doesn't imply freedom to be heard. People are free to ignore you even when you're saying popular things. If you don't want to speak unless everyone is listening, then don't.
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I would probably argue the opposite. What is the purpose of a community where no actual discussions are had, and people just look at and upvote memes?
You can always find a community where respectful discussion is allowed and encourage, and if you can't, you can create it. Not all places are mean to debate.
And people just really like memes.
If people are saying something you disagree with you can just say it
sure 😁 👍 💯
and you won’t be fired or ostracized for it
🤦 WAT, how do you know that?
Sorry, but you don't get to set the expectations of how people will react.
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