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[–] [email protected] 24 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Healthcare is the target now but who’s next?

Nope, insurance is finance. They don’t actually provide health care services.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 days ago

Calling insurance healthcare is journalistic malpractice. Get better at your craft or get shit on.

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[–] [email protected] 151 points 1 week ago (6 children)

The public reaction is what scares them. They are entirely disconnected from the consequences their actions impose on the public and can't imagine why their "customers" would be cheering the death of their peer. They don't think Brian Thompson did anything wrong, maximizing shareholder value is a noble goal after all, so from their perspective the public just seems bloodthirsty.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago

Everyone says this but I disagree. I'm sure Musk and many other public figures are emperors without clothes or whatever. But this idea that most execs are this other species blind to the muck under their boot.. but most people are normal people... They may be mean, evil, mentally ill. But they don't party in the front train car with no idea about the insect bars in the back. They're just selfish and don't care. They're well aware. Don't give them credit for ignorance by delusion. It's malice. I make business decisions. I make them in partnership with colleagues. Some are kind. Some are dicks. But they're intelligent enough to know what decision they're making. And this transcends boxes. Even some of the most compassionate and empathetic human centric people I've ever worked with, proven in actions, not words, are repeat Trump voters. Having said that, most verticals of business are like elected office in that a certain type of person is going to win and get to the top. Oil tycoons know they're burning the earth for personal gain. Non profit exec takes a big slice of pie, understanding the bookkeeping. They both just believe they should have it. Maybe not even deserve. Many leaders feel ordained to retroactively validate vile means to ends. "I'm on top, so I'm supposed to be on top. I see I stepped on people but that's okay, because I'm supposed to be on top." I know wealthy people too and it's nearly the same. They're on earth. They see what's up. Many of them are in your office but just don't mention cotillion or junior league. Some are kind, some are assholes. Just like all people.

[–] [email protected] 59 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Much like how DC politicians live in a bubble where they think everyone in the US has grocery options and plentiful healthcare (due to how business around DC structures these things so those "leaders" just assume all of the US is like DC), the C suite lives in a tone-deaf rich-person bubble with zero comprehension about what it is like to actually live in the shitty world they orchestrate and manipulate.

Reading some guff about the Kroger-Albertsons attempted merger was case in point. These corpos said: "Oh, if we don't merge, we can't compete against Walmart and Amazon, and we'll have to close stores." Like, no? What business goes, "hey, so we can't compete with adjacent-market companies, time to close up the places that generate our revenue!"

Or the recent Congressional vote to spend THREE BILLION OF OUR DOLLARS paying telecom companies to remove Chinese hardware from their networks. Something they were told to do years ago. The same carriers that will continue to raise our service rates every few months are making us (via Congress) pay them OUR money to do what they should have done themselves years ago.

None of these morons get it, they just keep corrupting their way to profits off of our backs, while digging out the ground we stand on from underneath us.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago

Are we not?

I am.

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[–] [email protected] 100 points 1 week ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 week ago (1 children)

this is good more of this please

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Wow, I really feel like I should be clutching my pearls over the fact that this is what it's come to.

On the other hand...

Just like cops, these folks have earned every bit of hatred coming to them from the public. Even now they continue to pad their own bank account at a staggering rate on the deaths and misery of their fellow man.

If I were a healthcare executive with a conscience (lol I know), or even a healthcare executive with an adequate fear response, I'd resign tomorrow. (Or maybe yesterday?) I guarantee any of these folks has enough wealth to exceed the typical US lifestyle for the rest of their natural lives without having to take any more money for denying care to their fellow citizens. They can pack their shit, never work another day, and still spend the rest of their lives with less stress and greater financial security than my family ever will. There's literally nothing stopping them.

And if their "Type A" personality just can't let them spend multiple decades of their lives just relaxing with their family and enriching their inner self, they have a great resume to get a job at an industry that doesn't profit from the death and pain of their fellow citizens.

[–] [email protected] 86 points 1 week ago (3 children)

so they're going to spend a whole bunch of the companies money on security firms, it's definitely going to come out of the executive compensation and not the workers, right? .....right?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago

Ha! They'll take it from the workers AND raise the prices of whatever products they're selling then pass the cost onto us for a tidy bit of extra profit. The leeches have to suck as much blood out of us as possible.

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[–] [email protected] 57 points 1 week ago (9 children)

I'm pretty sure that was part of the point.

Legally, the murder was wrong. Full stop. There's no legal argument here that it wasn't. It may not have been the guy they caught, but someone was murdered and legally that's wrong.

Morally though, it's a lot more gray. It's pretty easy to prove that health insurers policies have literally been killing people thousands of people a year at at a minimum and even if it's legal for some reason, that's also still morally wrong. Attacking someone who's attacking other people is usually called defending.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 week ago (12 children)

The CEO was on his way to implement policies that would kill thousands of people, and injure tens of thousands.

I see no moral gray area.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Legally, the murder was wrong. Full stop.

True but this was self defense. I don't see murder. Murder is the terminology of the regime who is trying to pin some crime on him that I don't see.

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[–] [email protected] 51 points 1 week ago (1 children)

"forcing leaders to ask themselves uncomfortable questions about their own preparedness for a threat landscape that appears far more serious than many realized just a week ago."

It's probably even more serious than they think it is right now too.

In fact, all I see are talks of securing these executives. And as the article points out, security is a sunk cost. There is no financial gain. That means as security gets more expensive, they will have to weigh how to afford it versus the problems they cause.

Fear isn't the word I think we want though, fear seems too normal. Terror sounds closer to what they likely need to feel before things get better.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago (3 children)

This is exactly my thought. C-levels are going to want competent security and not Rent A Cops, which costs. Companies which provide those services already charge a decent chunk of change for it, and the rates will likely go through the roof now. Additionally, I think they'll find that these "security consultants" will suggest absolutely unacceptable lifestyle changes for them to minimize areas of concern. Much easier to secure a house than a whole nightclub, or golf course.

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 week ago (3 children)

If you listen to the news segment, it talks about security completely and not about chnaging the corporate zeitgeist around the priority balance between workers, customers, and shareholders.

Hear that whooshing sound?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago

Right? No introspection at all. I doubt the C-suite of Patagonia sees a need to increase security.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago

The revolution will not be televised

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 week ago (2 children)

“There are reports that girls are fawning over this guy. This level of notoriety risks triggering copycats. And let’s face it, some business leaders are ~~vulnerable~~ complete fucking ass bags

Fixed that for em

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If somebody's got the itch and just has to go shoot up something this is a way, way better thing to copycat than school shooters.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago

Amazing how we all can agree on this one simple thing....

Clean denial of claim to life to executives is socially acceptable

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago

There's a lot of angry lonely men out there.

If there's anything that will motivate someone to kill it's the potential that women might give them attention.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 week ago

Good, good.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 week ago

Probably more fear from seeing how the public at large has reacted.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 week ago

People creating barbaric conditions are afraid of barbarians?

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago

I mean, when you've been actively supressing wages for decades so that you can keep your employees in debt to make them more subservient, you also kind of create a powderkeg of resentment and ill will. They really thought there would never be a spark?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago

Good. I hope they feel the need to look over their shoulders every two seconds. I hope they lie awake in bed at night questioning every noise outside. I hope they'll home cook every meal themselves from now on.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago

As scared as someone denied necessary medical therapy, surgery, prescriptions?

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