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This is a community in the spirit of "Am I The Asshole" where people can post their own bans from lemmy or reddit or whatever and get some feedback from others whether the ban was justified or not.

Sometimes one just wants to be able to challenge the arguments some mod made and this could be the place for that.

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As per .world worldnews mod, no discussing naughty stuff like jury nullification.

While this post is blowing up, here's the book referenced by the shooter:

Delay Deny Defend - Why Insurance Companies Don't Pay Claims and What You Can Do About It

By request: Full, uncensored video of the shooting. (Fucking obviously NSFW)

Jury nullification: A practical FAQ

Do I have to answer questions about jury nullification?

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[–] [email protected] 326 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

Nullification is your duty when the law is unjust. Also not illegal

[–] [email protected] 48 points 2 weeks ago
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[–] [email protected] 274 points 2 weeks ago (20 children)

wtf

Jury nullification is legal.

[–] [email protected] 85 points 2 weeks ago

Yep. Mods power hungry just like on reddit. Federated platforms exist to not have to deal with this BS.

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[–] [email protected] 203 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

It's a TOS violation to discuss one of the very real and legitimate responsibilities you have as a juror?

Like, nullification is a thing because it's very much the absolute very very last defense against bullshit laws being used against people by a corrupt judicial system.

It's a moral imperative and something anyone sitting on a jury should understand and be willing to use.

What an absurd take, especially since it sounds like it's all the .world admins having it.

[–] [email protected] 70 points 2 weeks ago (28 children)

theres no faster way to get kicked out of the selection process than mentioning it.

if you want out of jury duty, mention jury nullification and you are out of there.

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

It's likely not actually a TOS violation, that person commenting is almost certainly talking out of their ass, likely to try and push their own agenda and make people comply.

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[–] [email protected] 170 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (14 children)

I consider human life sacred

Like the lives of those cut short by denying treatment so CEOs and shareholders can make more money?

only God may judge us

Oh, fuck off. If God exists and actually cared, he/she/they would have "judged" the guy a long time ago for introducing needless suffering and cruelty.

[–] [email protected] 60 points 2 weeks ago

only god may judge us

Is a great argument for jury nullification. Because that will allow for god to decide the shooters verdict.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I mean, needless suffering and cruelty are kinda that god's bag...

[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 weeks ago

That's why I added "and actually cared" :)

[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

god is the most cruel entity in the entirety of the bible. kills the most people, causes the most suffering. how anyone can read that book and come away with a positive view of that beast is unfathomable.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I agree, but that wasn't quite the point I was trying to make.

The moderator was on a moral superiority high-horse by suggesting that "only God may judge" a guy who served as the judge for other's lives through complacent inaction and encouraging policies that put personal gain over humanity.

The only way that argument wouldn't have been hypocritical is if he agreed that God was a cruel bastard, and I don't think that was the case.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 weeks ago

God judged and sent an assassin if we’re gonna play the whole believe in god game

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[–] [email protected] 108 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Only God may judge us? Which God exactly, you giant fucking DIPSHIT?

[–] [email protected] 86 points 2 weeks ago

My inbox is quite a ride. I keep seeing insults in it and then realise it's not meant for me

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[–] [email protected] 104 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Only god may judge us? Sure, which is why god sent a fucking assassin.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Don't forget the genocides. god enjoys a genocide

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[–] [email protected] 95 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

only God may judge us

🚨🚩🚨🚩🚨🚩🚨

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[–] [email protected] 85 points 2 weeks ago

Banning people for encouraging continued violence is one thing, but banning people for encouraging others not to imprison someone is actually ridiculous, regardless of their actual guilt.

[–] [email protected] 80 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

"only God may judge us"

It's okay, as an atheist, I only recognize the moral authority of humankind, so judge away.

More seriously speaking, PTB. It would be one thing if the justification was "We REALLY do not want any legal trouble and we are just not equipped to take on any challenges, so we're playing it safe", but "i consider human life sacred"? They can fuck off.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 2 weeks ago

Human life is sacred, which is why I'm celebrating this POS no longer being able to abuse the sick to make a few extra bucks.

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[–] [email protected] 77 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Time to start working jury nullification into every comment I make no matter how unrelated it may be.

[–] [email protected] 51 points 2 weeks ago

Remember to report your comments after posting them

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[–] [email protected] 73 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

They keep claiming all these things against the TOS yet you can read that and none of it's in there. I don't know what it is about these mods but they sure seem to be trying to push their own agenda.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (16 children)

Remember how the [email protected] mods kept pushing for months the propaganda bot from a pro-Zionist and very rightwing (so much so that their definition of a Rightwing news media was pretty much only the Far-Right ones) organisation trying to tell everybody which news to trust and which to not trust?

Also, curiously and back some months ago when I was making anti-Zionist posts in my Lemmy.world account, all of a sudden I started getting e-mails on the account I used to register on Lemmy.world from an Israeli organisation doing "Education about Israel" courses and they knew not just my e-mail but also the country I lived in (the e-mails were in my native language) even though I didn't share my email on any posts.

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[–] [email protected] 68 points 1 week ago (1 children)

How is jury nullification against .world ToS? It is part of the law! Or more specifically it is literally created from the absence of a law, to allow a fair trial by your peers.

Courts don't want you to know about jury nullification but it is not illegal. It is a required part of the judicial system.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 week ago

so trying to prevent people knowing about is is more akin to trying to prevent people from knowing what rights they have?

[–] [email protected] 66 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Also, isn't lemmy.WORLD supposed to be a worldwide instance? I can discuss jury nullification as much as I want because I'll never be in the US jury. From my point of view, if I discussed jury nullification and got banned for it, I would treat that as a quite aggressive restriction of free speech.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 week ago

From https://legal.lemmy.world/tos/

Our Governing Laws

The website and the agreement will be governed by and construed per the laws of the following countries and/or states:

The Netherlands Republic of Finland Federal Republic of Germany

[–] [email protected] 65 points 2 weeks ago

Imagine describing the denial of medical care to thousands in the name of profits as a "mistake".

What a clown!

[–] [email protected] 51 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Sounds like some corpo shit

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Ok, I wasn't really that surprised when a bunch of users who were calling for more murder were getting their comments deleted. That's a bit much and users need to know how to be more vague with their threats, especially with web crawls recording and indexing everything we say online...

But censoring the discussion of a real legal process is crazy. Well, I've made a few comments regarding jury nullification. I'll report if they get deleted.

edit: It's been about 20 hours and none of my Jury Nullification comments have remained. I have a feeling that the .world mods figured out that that discussion was fine or the deleted comments has other reasons to be deleted.

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 2 weeks ago (23 children)

Fuuuuuck I have to change instances again...

Anybody got a recommendation?

[–] [email protected] 35 points 2 weeks ago (15 children)

Join us on dbz0! I just migrated yesterday and already love it here.

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (10 children)

lemmy.dbzer0.com is supposedly run by an anarchist, just saying...

Also we got booty (no not that booty, treasure!) !piracy[email protected] (inaccessible for lemmy.world users)

Sail the High Seas!

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 2 weeks ago

That's insane lol. They also get mad when you stand outside the courthouse and hand out pamphlets about it, wonder if this fool works in the system.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Discussing an actual legitimate part of the law is a no no on lemmy.world

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 week ago (11 children)

lemmy.ml gonna ride this for a month lmao

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 weeks ago (11 children)

Lemmy.world should compare its TOS to the law before being abandoned.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Good news, guys! The lords of lemmy.world are looking out for you, deciding for you what you are and are not allowed to discuss. I'm happy we have them, keeping us safe.

I think I will probably defederate my little contributional section of Lemmy from LW. I want to take some time to think about it, but this seems so overtly hostile to the principles of what a good fediverse citizen should be doing that I think it's better to start to actively refuse to cooperate with them.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

.world mods are all fuckwits.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 week ago

I love Lemmy dot world mods, every few weeks they have some weird drama and think they can patch it out with a change to the TOS

[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Can we migrate instances or do we just start a new account elsewhere?

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Jury nullification has always been a hot topic on Reddit, so of course it’s going to continue as a hot topic on Lemmy. The percentage of American Reddit and Lemmy users who know about jury nullification is doubtless at a statistically significant higher rate than the whole of the American public.

That said, you guys must know that not all people are comfortable with murder, even when it involves an asshole. And that is a good thing. We need compassionate people in the world. Compassion is cool, we need a measure of it tempering everything else.

That’s it. Just a reminder that people are gonna people. And a complete lack of surprise at yet another discussion involving jury nullification within these past 10yrs of Reddit/Lemmy.

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