Tankiejerk

Maybe Ukraine shouldn't have been dressed so provocatively.

They're nazis because the NATO helped them not be colonized and drained of resources by Russia. Not wanting to have your hospitals and schools bombed, makes you a nazi obviously.

It’s abusive behavior at its finest. “My wife MADE me punch her in the face 10 times! Poor me”

And, that's after they gave up their baseball bats for the explicit insurance that they wouldn't be beat up or threatened to be beat up. Kinda makes it seem dumb in hindsight, but you know what they say.

This is a NATO proxy war in that NATO, an organization created to provide European countries protection from Russia's territorial ambitions, is providing assistance to a European country to help protect them from Russia's territorial ambitions.

Perfectly stated. Definitely sums up NATO's involvement.

The problem with tankies is that they have latched on to the Stalinist notion of the necessity for dictatorship to achieve the unification of the proletariat and the dismantling of the Plutarchy. The other problem is most of them are Soviboos obsessed with Russia and the USSR in general.

I'm with you on this one. I kinda always thought Marx's and Engel's point was:

Capitalism is the stepping stone from feudalism to something far better.

I don't think they had in mind that the next step after capitalism would be going back to despotism. Like you said, these people lost the plot.

Abandoning worker enfranchisement in favour of authoritarian autocracy is neither communist nor left wing - they're just red-coded fascists.

Imagine the level of brain rot required to praise Stalin as a champion of the people.

BRICS is going to be hilarious as BRCS after India leaves to make sure they get western military help against China. They can't even get rule number 1 of being a major alliance member down. (Don't attack your "ally")

Good point, but they legitimately think NATO did some psychic 5D chess to force a war.

I honestly think most of the people that simultaneously take both of these positions are working for the Kremlin. There are probably a lot more bad actors who are being paid to muddy the waters than any of us would guess.

You can ignore everything I'm about to write. I'm just thinking through this in written form.

Here goes: it's a bit confusing for me. Tankies call themselves leftists. In fact, they call us "pro-capitalists" because we don't believe in authoritarianism.

And it feels weird to me to be in one of two groups both saying, "you're not REAL anti-capitalists" at each other.

So here goes:

• the Nazis weren't nationalist socialists
• the USSR wasn't a republic controlled by worker Soviets
  • In fact, the use of tanks on Hungarian worker Soviets was what gave tankies their name. They were actually anti Soviet.
• the Democratic Republic of North Korea isn't democratic
• the People's Republic of China does not belong to its people
• Moms for Liberty doesn't want liberty (and is filled with numerous people who aren't even moms)
• a majority membership of the National Black Republican Organization is white

So yes, I must acknowledge that a group of pro-authoritarians can call themselves leftists without being leftists.

... it still feels weird though. Because if you view it from their perspective, they are leftists. And we are capitalists' enablers.

Wait! I think I see it. Their embrace of violent regimes and violent tactics destroys working class unity and alienates non-violent, compassionate anti-capitalists. They actively choose Stalin over Trotsky and Trotsky over Kerensky, and (like they did with Marguerit Duras) drive anyone out of the movement who won't support that choice.

They are anti-solidarity. And you cannot be a leftist and be anti-solidarity.

not that that means anything consistent in the first place

Yeaaaaaaah... I wasn't sure what to use as the title. By the time I had captioned the meme, I realized it didn't exclusively describe tankies. It also describes Tucker Carlson's whole audience.

In hindsight, I probably could have said, "Tankies and far right." There did not need to be symmetry in my statement.

When you break down tanky ideology, they are just fascists who use leftist populism to garner support. They are just right wingers with extra steps.