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Ohio governor signs bill limiting bathroom use by transgender students (apnews.com)
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“It revolves around safety, security, and, I think, common sense. It protects our children and grandchildren in private spaces where they are most vulnerable,” said Republican Ohio state Sen. Jerry Cirino, the bill’s sponsor.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Is there any evidence at all backing such safety and security claims? Has restroom safety ever been jeopardized by transgendered persons? The only news I've ever seen in balls bigoted persons attacking transgendered persons.

And if they want to start protecting children, they should consider looking at the leadership of youth organizations and churches and other places where children have been victimized by the hundreds of thousands.

Sounds like these people should take a look at their book and what their precious Jesus says about such things:

Matthew 7:3-5 Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ and look, the log is in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye!

Red herring much? Moral equivalence much?

Protecting children starts with your own institutions, not a small subset of people who just want to shit in peace!

[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

They should just listen to their leader's own words:

Leave it the way it is…There have been very few complaints the way it is. People go. They use the bathroom that they feel is appropriate

https://www.yahoo.com/news/resurfaced-clip-shows-trump-did-201220156.html

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 weeks ago

Good grief. That's the first time I've seen that clip. The way politicians flip-flop for their own personal gain makes me sick. And that doesn't even touch on the fact that this affects real people at such a basic level.

No one is going to walk around bathrooms inspecting for penises or the lack thereof. At the heart of the matter, no one actually gives a damn. This is all just pure bigotry plain and simple. That and the politics of playing bigots for their votes.

I hope hope hope that people like Sarah McBride will follow people like Mike Johnson into the bathroom and then, from the stall next to him, say every most uncomfortable thing that she can think of to make Johnson rue the day he banned trans women from using the restroom with dignity at their place of work.

Goodness! There's so many real problems in this world. Why are people letting politicians get away from doing their actual jobs and focusing on minutia like this.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

And if they want to start protecting children, they should consider looking at the leadership of youth organizations and churches and other places where children have been victimized by the hundreds of thousands.

The word "if" is papering over a number of sins here.

They don't care about kids, they care about their preferred social hierarchy in which kids are not people but rather property owned by their parents.

The molestation of kids by people in leadership positions is not a felony to them, it's a minor misdemeanor by those in leadership positions who have trespassed upon the property rights of the victims' parents.

Any policy, no matter how evidence-based, will be rejected if it enables kids to exercise their own agency. This is why the existence of trans people is a major social issue for them, trans adults imply trans kids and kids who reject the gender expectations of their parents are seen as less than human and therefore disposable.

Their idea of "protecting children" is to reinforce the parents' property rights over them. That means blocking any policy that enables the state to protect kids from abusive or neglectful parents. They believe that parents have the right to throw out gay or trans kids, and see any attempt by teachers to keep their kids' secrets or affirm any non-allocisheteronormative gender or sexuality as an intolerable government overreach.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

So, no there isn't any evidence (at least that I've seen) for trans people being predatory in bathrooms. I have seen lots of stories about trans and "trans-looking" cis women being assaulted, threatened, and harassed in bathrooms. In all fairness though trans people are about 1% of the US population (~3.3m individuals) so statistically it's happened at least once, probably.

This has nothing to do with protecting kids but I wanted to add a few more bible verses that Christians also should contemplate more often.

15 “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.

Matthew 7:15-20, that is red text (a typographical feature of some bibles, mostly the king james version, where direct quotes from Jesus are set in red text)

"If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, leave that home or town and shake the dust off your feet."

Matthew 10:14, That's also red text.

"If possible, as far as it depends on you, be peaceable with all men."

Romans 12:18

"But if anyone has the world's goods and sees his brother in need, yet closes his heart against him, how does God's love abide in him?"

1 John 3:17, a small caveat to this one: brother may refer to other Christians (which is how some versions translate it) but Jesus used brother and sister to refer to all people, and since John was his bestie, it seems like the more fitting interpretation.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago

Nailed it on all counts.

The most heartbreaking thing about religion is how hard its adherents work to NOT actually read, understand, and live the virtues in their scriptures but instead re-interprete, cherry-pick, and choose the most vile parts of them only to tragically embody the evils they accuse everyone else of committing.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

That quote out of context makes me think they implemented gun control measures to prevent school shootings, but obviously not in this lifetime

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 weeks ago

Wouldn't that be something... 😖

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

If an assailant wants to sexually assault or take hidden photos/video of a juvenile, they will not be deterred by laws. Everyone in school knows who the trans kids are so it would be just as hard for them to sneak into "the wrong bathroom" as it would be for anyone else.

The only thing laws like this ensure is the increased potential of violence against trans kids in school. It is far more likely for a transfem teen to be sexually assaulted by a pack of homophobic bullies in the boys bathroom than it is for a transfem teen to sexually assault a girl in the girls bathroom. This shit is just common fucking sense.

PS: Fuck JK Rowling. Yeah she has nothing to do with this story but it is always a good time to remember what a fucking piece of shit she is.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 weeks ago

That and laws don't stop abusers of certain demographics, since laws don't apply to them.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 weeks ago

We don't even have to exercise common sense. It doesn't seem anyone can even agree on what common sense even means anymore.

What we do have are statistics! Something that politicians like this are very intentionally ignoring or twisting.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 weeks ago

This is more to do with trans erasure and an attempt to denormalize transness. It's limited to schools because Republicans have been slowly destroying the education system in the US for decades in an effort to only allow christian mythology to be taught and any subjects that might question that or offer an alternative ethos eliminated.

Make no mistake, anti-trans legislation is not to protect cis people, it is to drive us (trans people) back in the closet and out of public life. It's clearly spelled out almost exactly like that in the Project 2025 document.

It also is the easiest in point for this sort of activism because the democrats have entirely abandoned trans people and many of them are also (quietly) transphobic. Just look at how many people blamed Trump's win on wokeness and identity politics and the entire "lgb without the t" movement.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 weeks ago

This has such the vibes of former Georgia senator Sam Nunn touring the submarines concerning gay soldiers serving (in close quarters) in the military.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

If I'm not too far gone in understanding the attitudes of kids, chances are that most of them would simply ignore this kind of bullshit and let their peers use whatever room they like. It'll put on a show for the slobbering masses that fret over it and nothing more.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 weeks ago

Historically, that's always been the case.

Who the fuck has time to check the genitals of everyone entering a bathroom?

These bills do nothing other than alienate a vulnerable group. Purely hate driven.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago