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Hypothetical Pips (startrek.website)

submitted 5 hours ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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I have a weird question. Some numbers of pips can have the black pip. However, the 4 captain pips have never been depicted with this.

In some ways, this makes sense; a "lower" captain wouldn't make sense, and we've seen that the highest first officers hold commander pips. It's most likely that have 4 pips with one black is totally invalid.

However, I wonder if there's ever a circumstance where the black pip would be there. For instance, let's say someone gets field promoted to acting captain, but Starfleet either takes their time making it official or it's going to take a while (a few weeks) for the ship to get back to starbase to pick up a new captain (meaning the acting captain will be a bit long-term)? Could it be used then?

I imagine most of this is speculation, but I'm wondering if there's any example in canon of a long-term acting captain that could disprove the use of this pip configuration.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 minutes ago

Sub-caps are the worst.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I believe the collar pips are based off the rank stripes on the dress uniforms of US navy officers. They appear on the shoulder boards of the white summer uniforms or the jacket of the dark blue winter uniforms. A hollow pip is the equivalent of a thin stripe, a full pip is the equivalent of a thick stripe. The thin stripes are only used for Lieutenant Junior Grade and Lieutenant Commander.

I don’t think the single hollow pip O’Brien wears in the early seasons of DS9 has any real world equivalent, though, especially considering he wore two full pips on TNG before he got retconed into a Chief Petty Officer, the only NCO we ever see in Star Trek.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

That's because NCO stands for Newly Cloned O'Brien.