Cruise missiles Russia sends daily are also capable of delivering nuclear warheads. Just saying.
this post was submitted on 22 Nov 2024
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I know experts say this doesn't fundamentally change anything, but this sort of stuff still scares the shit out of me. There used to be a subreddit called UkraineAnxiety but they shut down with the Reddit protests last year. Really wish there was a resource like that now, because most comments I'm seeing are nonchalantly joking about nuclear war and that's not helping...
If it's causing you issues, you may want to try to avoid it. Putin's strongest weapon is his threat of nuclear war. It isn't going to happen though. That's why people joke about it. It disarms the weapon, because a threat is only a threat as long as people believe it. If Putin launched a nuke, China would cut them loose and NATO would destroy them with conventional weapons incredibly quickly.
Putin wants you to be scared. Either learn that it's a meaningless threat or stop listening to it. The threats aren't going to stop.
May I suggest you take a moment to consider the scenario from Russia's perspective.
- They have been unable to defeat Ukraine, a single independent nation backed by NATO funding in an all out war. Based on this, their chances of defeating NATO itself in a conventional war are zero.
- Their chances of defeating NATO in a nuclear war are even lower. Russia has to distribute its stock of very poorly maintained ICBMs across targets located all across the globe, against an enemy that has demonstrated substantially better early warning and air defense capabilities than they have. Meanwhile every NATO nuke is pointed directly at Russia, and half of those squarely at Moscow.
Now, both scenarios would be devastating for everyone involved. But the point I'm getting at here is that both scenarios end with Google maps updating to read to "The smoking crater formerly known as Russia".
Putin is not a suicide bomber. He's not doing this out of some ideological devotion to a cause. He's a thinking human being whose primary goals are to be alive and be in charge of a powerful nation. Starting a war with NATO, even a conventional war, guarantees him losing at least one of those things, and almost certainly both.
Conversely, the war in Ukraine is not, ultimately, a threat to the survival of Russia, and is only politically a threat to Putin's personal survival. He can choose to end that war whenever he wants to. It might mean handing back all the Ukrainian territory he's taken, but there's no way Ukraine wouldn't accept that deal in a heartbeat.
There is no scenario where a war with NATO benefits Putin or the people around him in any way, shape or form, and they absolutely know this.
On the other hand, threatening war is highly beneficial, because it scares people into behaving irrationally. Threatening nuclear war is especially effective because it draws on decades of cold war anxieties.
But these threats are hollow. They have no way to follow through on them that doesn't guarantee their total annihilation. And first and foremost, their goal is to not be annihilated.
I feel you and see the same.
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