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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 day ago

Why is everyone acting like this is a thing that will happen? All they have to do is wait roughly 90 days and it'll all go away.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 21 hours ago

Trump will let this go through and behind the scenes force a deal where X buys Chrome

[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Don't fucking let Musk buy it though

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 day ago
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Nah I rather they not get deeply vested in figuring out as revenue...

[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 day ago (5 children)

What company could actually afford to buy it other than Google, Meta, or Amazon? Unless they are forced to sell it at a loss, which is fine with me.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

With all due respect for Valve, they don't need this. They exist in their niche, and they're exceptionally good at doing their work

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Chromium engine for half life 3

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 hours ago

Valve already use CEF extensively in their client

[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 day ago (2 children)

By "sell," they could also mean ending up having Chrome just split off from Google, as a new, independent entity that is its own company, without anybody needing to buy it in the first place.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

How exactly is this company going to make any money?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago

I assume by continuing to sell data.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

Selling user data, selling ad placement, subscriptions for paid services, enterprise-grade support contracts, and the like.

They could also take an approach similar to Google, branching back out from being just a browser into a suite of related tools that Chrome can then convince users to switch to (similar to how Chrome gets users to not just use Google search, but also services like Gmail too.)

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The judge would immediately shut that down for creative avoidance. This is an order to sell, not break up. The DOJ specifically indicated behavioural remedies in this case, meaning Google must not remain in control of Chrome.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

This is an order to sell, not break up.

Currently, it's still recommended actions to the court. Nothing has actually been finalized in terms of what they're going to actually end up trying to make Google do.

Google must not remain in control of Chrome.

While divestiture is likely, they could also spin-off, split-off, or carve-out, which carry completely different implications for Google, but are still an option if they are unable to convince the court to make Google do their original preferred choice.

A split-off could prevent Google from retaining shares in the new company without sacrificing shares in Google itself, and a carve-out could still allow them to "sell" it, but via shares sold in an IPO instead of having to get any actual buyout from another corporation.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

Microsoft is probably drooling at the prospect. They’ve been trying to get that IE monopoly back since this happened to them.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Oracle, sun, tencent, tita...

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

oracle would create MANGO (Microsoft,Apple,nvidia,google and Oracle)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago
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[–] [email protected] 129 points 2 days ago (2 children)

This is the last antitrust win we'll get for years, isn't it?

I know Trump doesn't like Big Tech, but I doubt his admin will punish them meaningfully, but just rail about censorship.

[–] [email protected] 78 points 2 days ago (1 children)

This isn't a win I think. They are yet to meet in the court with Google.

The DOJ will file a revised version of its proposals in early March, before the government and Google return to the DC District Court in April for a two-week remedies trial.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago

I keep saying this. In 2 months all this antitrust stuff goes out the window. If people actually bothered to show up on 11/5 Kahn and co could actually get some wins for the American people. Instead, we're going to get more monopolies shoved down our throats.

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[–] [email protected] 199 points 2 days ago (8 children)

Alphabet’s Chief Legal Officer Kent Walker, says the DOJ is pushing “a radical interventionist agenda that would harm Americans and America’s global technology leadership.”

I'm honestly curious how this would "harm Americans".

[–] [email protected] 95 points 2 days ago

Google pretending they have any other nationality other then “the global internet” is cute in a disgusting way.

[–] [email protected] 84 points 2 days ago (3 children)

That statement is technically true.

The billionaire owners are Americans.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

I refuse to call any Billionaires Americans. A billionaire in America has far more in common with a billionaire in Ireland or France than with working class Americans. They don't use our schools, drink our water, drive our roads, or rely on our safety nets. They don't take out the trash, do their laundry, wait 6 months for a doctor's appointment, or stress over defunding their retirement to pay for needed medication.

Billionaire involvement in politics should be considered foreign interference. Of course AIPAC is foreign interference too, but apparently that's not a problem either.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Everyone really does need to have that at the forefront of their mind. When the C-suit, wall street, and politicians talk about "Americans" they aren't talking about us schlubs.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 days ago

It harms wealthy asshole Americans at Google.

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[–] [email protected] 105 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Ehh just fight it for a month pay king trump some money and bam their golden.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 2 days ago (5 children)

This is exactly what will happen. Same thing with Albertsons and Kroger too.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Sell it to me, I'll buy it for one dollar.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

I'll go treefitty

[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 days ago (12 children)

sell it to Microsoft so they can finally have a web browser that people use

[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yes, the anti-trust lawsuit should culminate in one part of a tech giant being sold to another tech giant.

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[–] [email protected] 65 points 2 days ago (6 children)

If they're allowed to choose who they sell it to this won't change anything

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (19 children)

Just...please for the love of whatever diety do Microsoft. Fucking sick of their shit recently with One Drive.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I feel like Trump's probably going to axe whoever is finally tackling these monopolies, unfortunately.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

People wondering what Chrome has to do with a search monopoly:

The obvious benefit is that they can default the user's search provider to Google.

But the more nefarious benefit is that, by controlling both the client and server, they can unilaterally decide the future of web standards. They don't have to advocate for proposals, gain consensus, and limit themselves to well-supported standards the way other companies do. They can just do it, gain the first-mover advantage, and force others to follow suit.

If they don't like HTTP/2, they can invent their own protocol and implement it for their search servers and Chrome. Suddenly, using Chrome with Google Search is way faster than using Chrome with Bing or using Firefox with Google Search. Even if Microsoft and Mozilla don't like the protocol, they now have to adopt it or fall behind.

This has happened. QUIC was deployed in 2012. Firefox gained support in 2021.

They're doing the same thing with Privacy Sandbox, and you can also look at browser feature compatibility tables to see how eager Google is to force their own interpretation of every not-yet-finalized web standard as the canonical interpretation.

Edit: Also, JPEG XL vs. WebP.

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