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Friend got hit by a car over the weekend (lemm.ee)
submitted 1 week ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
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First, the good news: My friend is essentially okay, aside from some bumps and bruises. His bike took some damage, but likely not catastrophic: From what we could tell, both derailleurs on his bike and the bar tape were damaged; there may be other damage we couldn't identify immediately, such as the handlebars themselves.

We were riding on this road with two lanes, no shoulder, and there's a light at the bottom of a hill, with a right turn lane. The light was green, so our group was cruising at a pretty high pace - probably 25 or 30 mph - in the right lane (not the turn lane, the through lane) and some driver needed to turn right, but couldn't wait a few seconds. So, they went into the LEFT lane, then turned right in front of our group, hit one of our riders, and kept going.

("Must get in front...oh I have to turn here..." Shitty driving habits in general, I'll bet.)

A few other cars stopped, and someone called the police, who took a report and got an ambulance to check out the victim. Hopefully they'll do some investigation and find the guilty party. The cross street leads into a neighborhood with no other exits, so there's a good chance the perpetrator lives there. Also there is a camera at that light, and one person thought to note the exact time it happened, in case the camera does continuously record.

I hope they find the driver. They deserve to pay for all damages and a huge fine.

Our friend commented that his bike was likely worth more than the minivan that hit him, which is almost certainly true, given it was an older model van and his bike is a high end Pinarello. He also noted that none of us stopped his bike computer, which was good for a laugh.

The ride leader's husband was able to come and pick up her, the victim, and another rider that wasn't comfortable continuing after the crash (we were only about halfway through the planned route). The rest of us pedaled on, albeit a bit more subdued for a while.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Hey, your friend essentially just won the lottery. They should sue. As someone who never sued for anything in his life, I was shocked when I got older and found out how many of my friends and acquaintances received monetary windfalls from sueing over accidents. Don't worry because he'll be sueing the insurance company, or the city, or whomever the attorney says to sue, not the actual driver.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

Well, suing the insurance company or driver would require knowing who they are. But hopefully he isn't on the hook for the damages to his bike.

Our club has insurance as well, but I don't know exactly what it covers.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago (6 children)

That's the thing about the "fuck cars, everyone should switch to bicycles" mindset. For most cities, especially in the US, it's just not safe yet.

You can say that if more people rode, or bike friendly infrastructure was put in place, then it'd be safer, but it's just not safe yet.

You can say it's more healthy than cars and doesn't take as much time or energy as people think, especially with e-bikes; but it's just not safe yet.

After seeing my 3rd friend in Seattle (supposedly a fairly "bike friendly" city) get hit by a car and need to be hospitalized, I decided biking is not for me and may never be. Since then, 2 more friends have gotten in accidents. I don't exactly have a large group of friends and if you widdle that down to friends who predominantly bike as their method of transportation, I'm looking at over a 60% accident rate for bikers I know.

It's just not safe yet.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 week ago

I mean, people get injured or killed in car crashes, too, or even just doing things around the house. Life is never completely safe.

On average, you're extending your life by cycling. Unfortunately, incidents do occur sometimes.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

yet

The reality of everything in this world is that if you have to wait for things to be perfect, you'll be waiting forever.

Sure, cycling infrastructure isn't great in North America. And some places (like, Ontario, Canada) have actively hostile campaigns against cyclists and remove any safety implements that have been established.

But if we don't get on our bikes, it only proves that "nobody wants to cycle", and the infrastructure will never get built.

And really, it's not even about infrastructure anymore. We had a 13-year-old killed on cycling infrastructure because a driver ignored a stop sign.

We (like the entire world) need to make driving so inconvenient that it becomes the last choice to get around. Only then will people who 100% need to drive be behind the wheel. And because they need to drive, maybe they'll pay attention to what they are doing.

I do sympathize with people who are afraid or put off by the risk of cycling in some places. I do get it, and there are areas where I live that I avoid cycling through. But I do cycle with the mindset that drivers are all idiots who aren't paying attention and/or want to run me over. So even when I have the right of way, I assume that drivers will not acknowledge it.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago

We (like the entire world) need to make driving so inconvenient that it becomes the last choice to get around.

Exactly, and unfortunately, we're unwilling to do this in North America.

My city recently put in some iffy infrastructure where they removed a pretty strip w/ trees to add a dedicated turn lane and a stoplight (previously was a stop sign), which was less than a city block from a busy intersection (w/ light) to get onto the freeway. That intersection leads to a "continuous flow" intersection with yet another light, and the total goal seems to be to prioritizes short light times over total throughput.

General structure looks like this (I hope the ascii art works):

                  | light |
                 | < onramp |
=== highway ===== | light | ==============
                 | onramp > |
   | new lane |      ||
- | new light | - | light |---
          |          ||
     new houses      ||
          |          ||
          |          ||
      | light | ---- ||

If we replace the light sandwiched between the onramps w/ a roundabout, eliminate the light just below the bottom onramp, and convert the new light (connects offices above and houses below to highway) to a roundabout, traffic should flow a lot more smoothly. Oh, and there's a bridge over the highway to get from the "new light" to the light at the top of the diagram, so this light is merely a convenience so cars don't need to drive an extra couple blocks.

This area especially pisses me off because there are three schools in that area served by the new light. So kids crossing the street force the lights to change, causing more slowdown. If it was a proper roundabout w/ pedestrian protection (or cars go straight instead of turning to go to the highway), crossing would be a lot more smooth. We should be funneling traffic around this area, yet the infrastructure is optimizing pushing traffic through.

I'm in a pretty small city (<40k people in the suburbs, surrounded by larger cities), but to me it's a symptom of the problems we have in prioritizing car traffic over pedestrian traffic, and I think it makes everything end up taking longer despite looking like it's making things better for cars. It's really dumb. Oh, and a lot of the traffic is massive trucks, and those absolutely should be routed around the main school crossings instead of through them.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

It never will be until cities adopt bike/pedestrian only roads...because no amount of awareness fixes a stupid or angry car driver. I have had a few instances of car drivers purosely attempt to block my travel.

One was on a one way street and truck did not like that he may have to switch lanes to pass safely, he was yelling at me to use the side walk. When I told him I had the same road rights, he turned his truck into the curb ahead of me so my path was blocked and I had to curb hop to avoid getting squished.

Second one was a stop sign that backed up traffic, i stay toward curb and all cars pass me until they get to stop sign, as a cyclist I can still keep travelling and pass those that passed me. There would always be some jealous idiot swing their door open hoping it would stop me. Again, I would hop curb to avoid their door.

That mentality of "I have more rights" as a driver, will never go away unless every vehicle had to be a bike for a while. A good punishement for bad drivers would be force them to bike for a few weeks to see what it is like on the receiving end.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

its more like it's not safe any more. car infrastructure has been built up so much around here that nobody lets their kids out. when I was a kid we only came home to eat and sleep and I could bike anywhere without worrying about anything. A family generally only had one car, maybe a second for work use, but now everone in the household has their own.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

After seeing my 3rd friend in Seattle (supposedly a fairly “bike friendly” city) get hit by a car and need to be hospitalized

By brother also got hit near Seattle and needed dental work and I think hospitalization. He was largely okay, but was hit hard enough that he blacked out. The frustrating thing is that he was riding on a separated bike path and was hit when he had right of way at a car intersection. It turned out that the city was at fault, because both the car and the cyclists had right of way, so they were able to successfully sue the city for a settlement and get the intersection fixed.

Yes, in many areas it's "not safe yet," but situations like this have a silver lining: it's getting safer.

In my area, I have an awesome bike path that goes something like 20 miles (I live right next to the midway point), and my city is finally connecting one of the minor trails in my city to it. There are also trails connecting to both ends (15 more miles to the south, northern end goes >50 more miles), so the actual total length is closer to 100, and many of the busier intersections have tunnels for the bike path. I used to ride it 10 miles each way to work (work was right off the path), and it was fantastic.

That said, my new job isn't along this path, and getting from the path to my work requires 7-ish miles on a narrow 2-lane road (one each direction) with minimal shoulder. These paths go through the main residential areas and connect to several hiking and MTB trails, but they don't go into city centers and avoid many of the business districts, so they're mostly useful for recreation unless your work happens to be near residential areas.

That said, I do encourage people to get into it. Cycling can be really safe and a very healthy way to get around, but only if you're careful on your route. There are routes I absolutely avoid, but most places I want to go have a (slightly longer) safe route using side roads and trails to get there. So if you're interested, don't take the "it's not safe yet" for given, check your local area and likely routes and see what the infrastructure looks like. Maybe even drive the route a couple times to get a feel for how the car interactions look before jumping in the saddle.

I will say, the only accident I've had on my bike was taking a spill on the bike path due to icy conditions, and that was just some scrapes and a bruised ego. Cycling can be completely safe, just be careful where you ride.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

driving is among the most dangerous things you can do, you don't exactly have much to lose.

If you're in the US, just get one of those """e-bikes""" that are effectively a moped and put on all the safety gear you can tolerate, and avoid traffic as much as possible and never take risks. You can get airbag vests that might very well save your life if you get tossed off the bike.