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Note: full article is paywalled.

The NYT, BBC, CNN, among others emphasized the attacks on Israeli fans, while minimizing the anti-Arab racism that seemingly provoked much of the violence.

Archived version: https://archive.ph/kzDLr

SpinScore: https://spinscore.io/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fzeteo.com%2Fp%2Famsterdam-violence-maccabi-anti-arab-antisemitism-media

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago

Amsterdam banned all protests for a week. Many people went anyway. Love ♥️ this sign!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago

Radio-Canada coverage and my reaction:

"The Israeli game same racist songs and burned Palestinian flags then got beat up"

"Ok, good... They're mentioning it..."

"Here are some comments from Amsterdam residents."

[Insert four comments blaming the residents and not the Israeli]

"Dangit!"

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago (3 children)

There were chat groups planning a Jew hunt for that day weeks in advance. Screenshots exist.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago (1 children)

So include them in your post that otherwise just proves the point of the article?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

The article included several unsourced quotes from some kind of chat groups which are also potentially translated, no way to verify. And then they included a random unsourced screenshot which has "translation" added on top it, removing original content that would help verify authenticity. That's not proof you claim it to be... Not only basic fact checking disproves it, but article itself quotes Uber spokesperson indicating there were no reports.

A story on how the claim that was rejected by Uber. And Israeli PR machine trying to make something out of nothing.

An Uber spokesperson tweeted saying they were “shocked to hear of this abhorrent violence” and were supporting Dutch authorities with their investigation.

They claimed, “there were no reported incidents of violence or antisemitism on the Uber app,” and did not respond to allegations that drivers perpetrated physical violence.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Of course Uber would deny that. You can find more details on Dutch media. This was the first English article I found.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Well, since they are cooperating with Dutch authorities, lying wouldn't be in their best self-interest. And so far nobody proven otherwise.

Random claims are not evidence.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 days ago

I posted a link and it was deleted by mods.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I'd like to see that. I have been following everything closely, and a lot of rumors are used as truths. From both sides... can you post some links?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I asked for the screenshots, none given. These look like doctored communications, the maker did not realize these (mostly uneducated) people do not chat in English?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 days ago

These are translated from Dutch and Arabic of course.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Also here. I asked for the screenshots, none given. These are clearly manipulated.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 days ago

These are translated from Arabic and Dutch of course.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Doesn't mean the Israelis were innocent

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

Pogroms are always the fault of the Jews. /s

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 days ago

The world starts to see through your bullshit. You cannot manipulate the truth forever you know

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago
[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago (2 children)

The news I saw made it clear it was a bunch of fanatical "ultras" football fucks that saw some Palestine flags and started damaging property willy-nilly to take them down.

These bunch of shitheads call themselves fans, but all they know is to cause trouble and make a mess.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago

There were two groups of shitheads. Some people of one group will be prosecuted by the extreme right government party, the other group was moved back to Israel in emergency.

But I want to repeat: there were multiple groups of shitheads

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Not only that. They were chanting a bunch of horrible songs about arabs and palestinians. They also whistled and yelled through a minute of silence before the football match for people that died. They even attacked a middle eastern taxi driver, dragged him out of the car and beat him up.

The whole thing has been pissing me off...

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago

Buried or omitted in most accounts was verified evidence of anti-Arab racism that had occurred prior to these events, including footage of Maccabi Tel Aviv fans tearing down Palestinian flags, attacking taxi drivers, and chanting explicitly racist slogans like “Death to the Arabs” and “Let the IDF fuck the Arabs.”

Minimizing anti-Arab racism and the provocations by Maccabi Tel Aviv fans was not subtle. The BBC's extensive live blog of the unfolding events quoted 13 Israeli and Jewish sources while allowing just one or two alternative perspectives. Injuries to Israeli fans received detailed documentation and personal accounts, while the impact of racist abuse on local Arab and Muslim residents went largely unexplored.

Those chants were certainly racist and violent Especially the chant “Why is there no school in Gaza? There are no children left there.”