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[–] [email protected] 4 points 13 minutes ago* (last edited 9 minutes ago)

My plan is to simply avoid ALL contact with MAGAs unless I'm forced to work with them. The same way you would avoid a meth-addled pit bull.

I'm not going to let them think their point of view is "fine" by pretending to be civil to them. It's not.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 18 minutes ago

Additionally, if you did not vote for Harris I will judge you.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Thanksgiving will be the real test if people really mean it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 38 minutes ago

How so? My dad voted for Trump's fascism, but my mom did not. I am not going to avoid my mom just to punish my dad.

[–] [email protected] 53 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

I just feel like after a public rapist becomes president, twice, there's no hope for Americans. It really is hopeless by now.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 5 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 minutes ago* (last edited 5 minutes ago)

The DOJ had four years to prosecute him under Biden and they dragged their heels.

The Southern District of New York had ample reason and opportunity to prosecute him as a mobbed to businessman in the '00s and '10s, but he was friends with the mayor so they didn't.

The Clintons certainly knew about Epstein in the 90s and could have busted that whole thing up 30 years ago. But the donations were too sweet, so they didn't.

Trump is a creature of consequences.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 hours ago (6 children)

Think about it this way, if you disqualified politicians who engaged in some kind of sexual assault there would not be many left to govern.

It is accepted and now normalized. If you are rich you can rape and do whatever you want.

The problem for me is I grew up in a country that I thought was beyond that. I was apparently wrong.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 minutes ago

if you disqualified politicians who engaged in some kind of sexual assault there would not be many left to govern.

I've heard arguments to the effect that politicians who are too clean simply don't succeed, because people don't want to give you big campaign checks unless they have Compromat on you.

So you get invited to the Eyes Wide Shut party, your rich friends catalog your debauchery, and this is what keeps you loyal.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 hour ago

The problem with disqualifying anyone based on any crimes is that it would enable the current ruling party to stick crimes on the opposition to eliminate the competition.

Just in case to clarify, I'm not defending child rapists who most surely did commit the crime in question, just saying it's a dangerous concept.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 32 minutes ago

If you are rich you can rape and do whatever you want.

This is why I hate capitalism so much. Extreme power disparity is the heart of tyranny and the extreme disparities in wealth that capitalism creates only leads to extreme disparities in political power.

I fear that the US went past a breaking point and that the US will fully be an oligarchy after Trump is done

[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

there would not be many left to govern

Good. There is not that many positions to fill anyway.

It's not normal that a criminal record that would make it almost impossible to find an entry-level grocery packer job is completely OK for a politician.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 hours ago

a criminal record that would make it almost impossible to find an entry-level grocery packer job is completely OK for a ~~politician~~ fucking president of a huge country

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

I refuse to think about it that way lol. Quantity does not equal acceptance for me. We have to hold our countries' representatives to a higher standard than being outright criminals, guilty of many, serious offenses. If there are only a handful of politicians left after such a sift, then so be it.

Thank God I'm not in the USA. But it's not like this doesn't fuck over the rest of the world too.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 7 hours ago

Less people voted Trump in 2024 than in 2020. It is not that Trump won, it is that Biden/Harris lost hard.

Trump: 74 Mio. in 2020, 73 Mio. in 2024

Biden/Harris: 81 Mio. in 2020, 69 Mio. in 2024

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_presidential_election

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidential_election

[–] [email protected] 26 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

I'd really like to have 100 randomly chosen Trump voters in a room and interview them to find out how knowledgeable they are about Trump, about his policies, about his first term, about the criminal cases, etc.

My guess is that at least 90% of them are brainwashed. I'm sure there are some that are completely aware of his record and are either single issue voters who are voting only on abortion. Some may be multi-millionaires who are voting just for lower taxes and don't care about anything else. But, anybody who voted for him because of inflation / the economy has no idea what they're talking about. Inflation was a worldwide problem and Trump's policies made / will make it worse. Anybody who voted for him because he's going to "fix immigration" has no idea what they're doing because his policies are incoherent and will never work. Anybody who voted for him because of Gaza is an absolute moron because he's just going to encourage the genocide.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I see these videos on tiktok. You would think it was fun but it's kinda like talking to a brick. There is no logic.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 27 minutes ago

Trump and his fascists deserve most of the blame, but I fear that liberals won't learn from this. Realpolitik is bullshit. When you promise to help people but then sell us out to lobbyists and the donor class decade after decade after decade, then people lose all faith in institutions. Facts don't matter because those facts were used to gaslight time and time again.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

I could understand Trump in 2016. I could also understand Trump in 2020 but much less. In 2024? Nahh... America voted for him in 2024 and I will judge Americans for it.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 hours ago

the only president in over 100 years to lose the popular vote twice. he won it his third time. unbelievable. as a rapist he's probably used to insisting after rejection until he wears them down.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 hours ago

Could you really understand Trump in 2016? I'm not asking to be mean. Wasn't his character the same back then? I've tuned out of US politics since the DNC screwed over Bernie in 2016.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 hours ago (4 children)

I propose a total halt to any sexual activity with any Trump supporter. This will go on for the 4 years that asshole is in power and until a reasonable president that is not a rapist racist asshole is elected. Sure that guy could be republican but I highly recommend elsewhere.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 49 minutes ago

There should be no statute of limitations.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 hours ago

I don't get how anyone could ever be attracted to a trump supporter anyway. It's a massive massive turn off for me

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I just judge them for being fucking idiots.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

This condescending attitude is almost ok when it's done by voters, the problem is tgat the dem party constantly acts insufferably towards potential voters.

It is a party's duty to appeal to the people, not the other way around. The dems proved once again that acting like "the least worst option" doesn't work, especially in a disinformation economy like the US and frankly the rest of the world. It's not the 2000's anymore, respectability politics are hated by most voters.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 hours ago

Anyone that brought up your points earlier this year was dog-piled and being called a tankie or Russian shill. God forbid a powerless user on this website brought up an ounce of criticism towards the party or else it was as if every loyalist was experiencing their own personal 9/11

[–] [email protected] 196 points 14 hours ago (7 children)

If I find out you voted for Trump in 2016, I will judge you but I could forgive you.

If I find out you voted for Trump in 2020, I will judge you and will have a hard time forgiving you.

If I find out you voted for Trump in 2024, you're dead to me. Friend, family, doesn't matter.

[–] [email protected] 68 points 13 hours ago (4 children)

I wish I could say the same but I can't bring myself to cut my dad out of my life. Yesterday ended our 2 year streak of talking every day.

He learned years ago not to bring up politics with me because he knows I will destroy all of his arguments and bring receipts. He's let a comment or two slip at a family gathering but he knows my phone's coming out of I'm within earshot... No, dad, he was definitely friends with Epstein - here's a quote saying so from the 90s.

I've thought a lot about bringing it up or at the very least what my response would be if he does. I want to tell him that he has 20 years left at best but I have to live in the world he voted for a lot longer. I want to tell him that I think my sister would be right to never speak to him again. I want to tell him that she may be young, but in 15 years my niece is going to rightfully resent him for what he supported.

But what I think I'm going to actually tell him is that he fucked up so bad that I HAVE to assume he truly does not understand the implications of this if I ever want to be able to look him in the eye again.

And every single time Trump does something shitty as president, I will be texting him what it was and why it's bad whether he likes it or not.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 hours ago

My dad died young. He was only 52. I like to think he wouldn't have been brainwashed by the qult, but honestly who knows? He was running in circles that are now full of trump clowns. He ran a construction company and was a registered Republican, but gave up on them after W and voted for Obama twice. I wonder how he would have reacted to this shit. I like to think he'd have been logical and stayed on the Dems side, but I always wonder if he'd have gone to the dark side. There's a real chance I wouldn't be talking to him right now if he did. I'm glad I never had to deal with it because I was very close to him. I feel for you OP.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 13 hours ago (3 children)

My father and I became estranged about a decade before he passed, for reasons other than but similar to politics. Our world views just did not align and in ways that I could not ultimately forgive. We did not really ever reconcile before his passing and I don't regret it to this day. I don't believe in unconditional love and he did not earn mine, imho. I am estranged with most of my extended family for similar reasons. I'm not really willing to compromise certain morals.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 10 hours ago

The religious fanatic psychopaths behind the scenes of MAGA, if successful in their goals, will ensure there is no history.

Dark times is an understatement.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I'm not American, but I would have voted for him the first time around.

I was bored. Bored with life. Let's fuck shit up by putting some crazy in office. Even better that I don't live there so I get to grab the popcorn and watch the crazy.

But by the end of it, I was sooo done. I just wanted it to calm down and go back to normal.

There is no way I would have voted for him this time. And frankly I am disappointed in anyone who did.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Because you were doing it for fun, they were doing it because their lives are getting worse and wanted any change. Shows how shit the US experience is that this was preferable to continuing on.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Just something that's worth pointing out is that trumps voter base didn't change much. Counting is still happening, but so far it's trump -1 mil and Harris -13 million from last election.

So it's not so much that republicans voted badly it's that democrats lost a good chunk of votes (16%) didn't bother to vote this time.

And while I completely disagree with trumps side, it's insane, but at least I am happy that people voted. Voter apathy is far more dangerous to me. It's like saying to politicians, "I don't care that the nazi party is coming to power".

To me that's the biggest issue this election and honestly I don't understand why so few people cared. It's actually same story over here (UK), where we had fewer people voting this election than previous one.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 hours ago (3 children)

It sounds like the Democrats just failed to present themselves as a viable alternative, or really inspire or motivate anyone to vote. Their platform seemed to be largely not being Trump.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago

When asked about healthcare, they said they had “concepts” of a plan.

Oh wait, no, that was the other guy.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 hours ago

Every interview where questions were asked about Kamala's positions, shed talk about trump. It was not all that different than trump shit talking kamala even.

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