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Former CIA Director Leon Panetta warned that Trump’s return to the White House could embolden Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, giving him a "blank check" in the Middle East and increasing the risk of war with Iran.

Panetta expressed concern that Trump would support Netanyahu's aggressive stance against Iran without restraint, potentially worsening regional instability.

Panetta also predicted Trump might allow Russia to retain parts of Ukraine if he returns to office, though he doubted Trump’s negotiation skills.

He criticized Trump’s approach to foreign policy, suggesting Trump would be inclined to "capitulate" to authoritarian leaders, which may not sit well with some Republicans.

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[–] [email protected] 218 points 2 weeks ago (75 children)

Congratulations, idealists. You definitely stopped the genocide by refusing to vote for Harris and urging others to do likewise. A+ job.

[–] [email protected] 109 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Oh he'll help end the genocide alright. You can't genocide a people that's already wiped off the planet.

[–] [email protected] 62 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

ukraine is gonna get 'helped' similarly. putin will have a free pass once the u.s. aid stops. i don't think the other nato countries or the e.u. can cover that, especially long-term.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I hope as soon as US aid stops, they launch everything they have at major Russian cities.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

right? they're holding back for conditional western aid. as soon as the aid ends those conditions mean nothing.

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[–] [email protected] 56 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (4 children)

I truly cannot grasp how uninformed one has to be to claim to be for Palestinians but think helping Trump's odds was strategically better. Such profound ignorance is on par with maga, themselves.

On another note I want absolutely nothing to do with Mehdi Hasan. I supported him for quite some time but he got tunnel vision to such a degree he ended up thinking completely irrationally and contributing to the problem. He's venturing into Jill Stein territory for me.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

"They" weren't persons holding "real" opinions, I'm afraid. Just as the russians calling for "russophobia" 2 months prior to the special genocidal operation

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[–] [email protected] 91 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (15 children)

Waiiiiit, are you saying that not voting Kamala didn't magically stop the genocide in Gaza?????

That it only accelerates it, like I and other people have been saying for months????

WHO COULD HAVE SEEN THIS COMING?!

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[–] [email protected] 71 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

Trump voters: "Trump is the most peaceful president ever. We need to bring the defence spending to Ukraine home. America first".

Trump is elected and inevitably drags the US into yet another war in in the Middle East

Trump voters: Pikachu face

Nah. Just kidding about that last part. It was all just empty rhetoric to justify the grift and looting all the way down as the country burns to the ground in the background.

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[–] [email protected] 62 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

Whew! Good thing the moral purity brigade shunned Kamala Harris.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Didn't you know trump will stop the genocide....by writing a check so large that Israel completely removes Palestinians from the map... can't have a genocide of Palestinians if there are no more Palestinians.

Check mate libruls

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I mean, Trump will definitly ensure that the suffering of Palestenian people ends quickly

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 week ago (14 children)

But thank God we saved Palestine from the evil black lady right? /s

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

"We stood up for our PRINCIPLES!!!"

-- screamed over the sound of brown people being exterminated

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I heard the "but there won't be any of these wars once Trump is back" argument several times.

I would usually revel in watching the walls come down around someone's stupid opinions, but in this case, we as a country have to suffer for it.

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 week ago (1 children)

What is fucked is that no matter what happens. They will insist that it was all the Democrat's fault and all the fault of communists and socialists. They will be believed both despite the absurdity of it all and because of the absurdity of it.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 week ago (45 children)

in reality it was the 20 million voters that abstained from voting this election.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 week ago (5 children)

May the people in this sub who screeched Genocide Joe and threatened Kamala over her continued support for Israel get the policies they voted for.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 week ago (4 children)

That should put paid to the myth that Trump is 'the antidote to all the wars'.

I always thought that the argument 'no wars were started during his presidency' was bullshit.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

Take your bow single-issue voters and protest voters. We tried to warn you.

You did this.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah but GeNoCIdE JoE, etc.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

crazy to think that trump might do exactly what he said he was going to do. how could we, the voters, have predicted this?

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

At some point some people were even saying Harris is worse than the same. For your sanity, I only hope you don't have family in the Middle East.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Rashida Tlaib's district is a prime example of this, she kept her seat by a wide margin while Dems lost the state. They decided to ignore their voter base and suffered the consequences.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 weeks ago

It's pretty normal for people not to vote for someone genociding their family. It's her fault, not the voters. The same way Democrats threw away the votes of the left and Palestinians because they didn't care if they were being genocided is the same logic the right uses to vote for Trump for the economy despite all the damage he'll do to women and other minorities. You're all equally selfish and you don't have the moral high ground when you're supporting a genocide and quieting any dissent on it. People tried to say this could lose her the election, but nothing can be the politicians fault, of course, just the voters.

Anyway, turns out it wasn't the genocide anyway. She lost Michigan because of it probably but it didn't matter anywhere else, and she lost the election before it was even added. You can add up all the third party votes and it didn't amount to shit. It was the economy. It always is. People in fucking rural Pennsylvania haven't been reading hexbear posts or whatever. They just didn't buy what she was selling.

Or course, if it was the genocide, that just proves what the left was saying all along: she's got to do better on this issue or she can lose the election, and she'd rather lose than not do a genocide. Turned out she probably would've lost either way but still, hopefully the next Democrat candidate will do better, or we can supplant the party with a new one that can run an actual campaign. You can keep doing the bullying thing, but it didn't work this election, or in 2016, and it won't work next election either. Stop trying to convince the voters to care about what you want them to care about, and telling them not to care about what you don't care about, and time to meet them where they are.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Don't worry there were no wars under Trump last time and there won't be this time it's that simple 😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎

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