Why wouldn't they? It worked before, twice. No reason why it wouldn't work a third time
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Can someone better versed in US politics give a quick rundown on how the fake electoral scheme actually works? I’m aware of the physical steps involved but I don’t see how the scheme doesn’t just fail at the first hurdle. In what world can a person not assigned as elector send in their own certificate and not be immediately disregarded? To my mind it sounds like this:
Mrs Krabappel: I’m the fourth grade teacher and have counted the votes for fourth grade class president. Martin Prince wins with 2 votes.
Miss Hoover: No, I’m the real fourth grade teacher and I declare that Bart Simpson wins with 2 votes.
Principal Skinner: There’s no way of discerning who the real fourth grade teacher is. My only option is to ignore the results of the vote and decide by fiat.
I thought I was being a reductionist but it seems from that article I might be closer to the truth than I thought. It's weirdly disappointing that it simply boils down to some childish tactic of pretending to be confused by the results, instead of there being some obscure legal precedent.
I can't get over the fact that the public, years old, widely known effort by R to steal our elections is itself called "stop the steal." Someone jump me to any other timeline, please!
With the Republican party, Every accusation is a confession
No shit, they got a slap on the wrist last time.
Fucking fascist should of been hung. Biden had 4 Fucking years to protect our right to vote. They Fucking knew he was going do this. Hell they have been loud and proud of it. IF TRUMP STEALS THIS ELECTION I HOPE WE ARE READY TO RISE UP AND FIGHT BACK! ARE WE?
How do you propose he does that when congress has actively been working against him the last 4 years and refuses to pass anything he's asked for.
And the SCOTUS will rule 6-3 against him for, literally, everything.
He couldn't even forgive student debt the way his powers should have let him, because of the Fascist SCOTUS taking the case and deciding that while president's do have dictator powers to kill whoever they want, they can't actually perform the duties of their office if it helps educate our youth in any way and prevent them from a life of crippling debt
I am.
General Strike can sometimes be the best thing for workers to do.
One of the many myriad things I hate about Trump is that he’s made presidential election season even longer with this sort of shit.
Usually this ends and I can enjoy the holidays, but no, I have to hear abiut this shit until fucking January.
Fuck him.
"Leave the door open"? It's literally their spoken and strategized plan for the election. How are things the Republicans have been loudly and obviously preparing for and putting in place for literally years "breaking news" days from the election? Democrats are so fucked.
Not just Democrats. The entire nation is fucked.
Oh cmon now. Don't be dramatic. Rich white guys will be OK. Like always.
Can someone explain why this is different from election interference?
You have people going away for years for stealing/destroying ballots, as they should.
But to throw away the result of millions of counted ballots seems like these low level interference x1000. How have they not faced dire consequences?
And yeah, I know, if its considered state level crimes (because states define tgeir own election rules), then it's local law enforcement, prosecutors, judges who look the other way because it's for their team.
But these seem to be major crimes with a clear record. How are they not locked away despite political alignment?
It's not, but you have a DOJ that is afraid of doing anything that might look 'political'. We know enough that this whole scheme was coordinated from the very top, but they slow walked the whole thing so we're now in the situation where Trump could get elected again and make the whole thing go away.
It’s not, but you have a DOJ that is afraid of doing anything that might look ‘political’.
Which is itself political, and 100000000% corrupt.
Seeing as how people have already been indicted for this shit, knowing that this is potentially coming, I don't think they're going to have the same kid gloves on this time. And the orange stain isn't in power anymore. However we will see soon enough!
Yeah, I guess that's what I don't get. How can stealing/destroying ballots not be considered "political", but figuratively throwing out all of the ballots and unilaterally picking the winner be protected as "political".
It seems both are major crimes to democracy, whatever political party happened to commit said crimes.
Unless there's some grey area not explicitly addressed in law wrt electors.
It's like Democrats don't care if Trump committed crimes
Might be that they prefer doubling down on the pied piper strategy pioneered by Hillary.
They do, but the Democrats don’t enact justice. The DOJ does that, or is supposed to.
With the now-totally-legal-thanks-to-SCOTUS voter purging, theft and destruction of ballots, aggressive voter suppression tactics, and polling that indicates an electoral college but not population vote win for Trump, they might not have to 'Stop the Steal' at all. They've "legally" pre-stolen it themselves.
Instead of being concerned what the Republicans might do if they lose, it might be worth wondering if everybody else should really take it lying down like they did the 2000 election.
Last time, "stop the steal" failed because there wasn't any actual election fraud to be found. This time, there will be actual election fraud to find, and plenty of it, because they will have committed it themselves. They will then use their own crimes as an excuse to claim the vote tallies are unreliable and throw out entire precincts worth of results in Democrat-leaning areas. This will result in a claimed Trump win of both the electoral college and the popular vote in a landslide, and the MAGA SCOTUS will rubber-stamp it.
Will election deniers be charged with the necessary crimes this time around?
I sure hope so. After all of this, if they are still sticking to crimes, and treason, they deserve a nice 'shady vacation'.
"Putting cases on all y'all!"
I mean, Kamala runs the senate. They really don't have any option to try the same scheme again. I do worry though, what new tricks they might try.
They'll call for her to recuse herself or whatever, and Democrats have a history of caving to ridiculous demands of Republicans like that.