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Surprised the MAGA crowd don’t invite these guys to talk at dinners more tbh. They’re so ahead of the curve.
Conservatism is social cancer. It is the single biggest threat to life on earth.
It's like the dark ages are still strong in other parts of the world. Makes me sad to think about how a vast amount of Americans don't value US democracy at all.
This smells more like a country run by incels rather than religion
A religion that says when you die you get 72 virgins is founded on treating women like property.
Many religions are like this. In the Bible if you rape a woman you're punished as if you damaged property.
The "punishment" is the rapist has to marry the victim. The bible punishes the victim.
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*corporate wants you to find the difference between these two
I was listening my local radio station and they had a story about how women were banned from speaking in public. One of the guest speakers (mostly, women from Afghanistan) gave a history of how it became like this.
There were freedom fighters, or Mujahideen, which were trained in jihad against the Soviets. And part of that indoctrination involved physical separation between males and females, including family members, of the boys and men that later became the Taliban. And part of that indoctrination involved the mullahs, or teachers in those seminaries, teaching or indoctrinating the students, all males, that females are the source of temptation to sinful acts.
There's more to it in the story / transcript, but that was the basic premise.
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That's so fucking weird.
"Because some of us have not learned personal space, women may not be seen, heard, or spoken of, even by other women. 'Cause they're scary 🥺"
They turn into Moclans if they continue.
Well they ain't called the talifreedom
TaliBAN'd:
- joy
- happiness
- good things
At what point do we treat this as the hostage situation it really is and do something about it?
Got any suggestions? We tried bombing them to the stone Age, we tried training their military to avoid jihadist radicals taking over. The EU court ruled that just being a woman from Afghanistan is enough reason to get asylum. And the people from there that actively committed to lasting difference over the last 2 decades have either left the country, are in hiding or dead. It's horrific.
maybe handing morality down from on high doesn't work
What morality?
Allowing training camps for al queda in your country and train their terrorists to spread terror will get you kicked in the teeth? Cause and effect.
Because as far as I know there was no other reason for the invasion.
While we where there we did not allow wholesale enslavement of women and some of the other things jihadist would love to do to people when in charge.
So what of those things do you disagree with, can you enlighten me? Should we have let the terrorists train there? Or should we have let their jihadist laws enslaving women be left on the books while we where there.
the issue goes back much further than the physical invasion. morality has to be cultivated from within. it's not enough just to be right
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Never, if the world learned anything from the last 20 years it's that the only ones who can free Afghanistan are the Afghanis
And they don't wanna.
I'd kinda love to see a successful approach to these kinds of issues where the UN would do something like drive protected buses into these areas, where the expectation is an unalienable right to enter those buses, with maybe 2/3rds of the seats reserved for women and children.
I wonder if any realistic iteration of that could work to get a decent number of would-be refugees out of situations they want out of, maybe a few thousand, ideally tens of thousands if not more.
It sounds like something that maybe could be made to work if communicated right, but could also meet armed resistance in many places, and there would probably be a lot of men making "their" women stay by force or coercion or lying, probably a lot of hiding inside while the buses pass.
I wonder if it could be done in a way that makes it worth it. It feels like the sort of rescue the UN should be doing.
It also feels like it really forces evil men to show their hand, reveal themselves explicitly as captors, and make it far easier to justify killing them, as I believe that is the ethical response to men who hold their wife hostage.
Anything shy of eliminating all the conservatives in the region will result in this continuing. This is the natural result of unchecked conservatism. It has metastasized there.
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A lot of people want to point at religion but these are conservative sentiments. The Taliban was only popular due to it's anti-imperialism fighting foreign invaders like the Soviets and US. Now that the people of Afghanistan can turn to internal politics, the can fight to end or reform the Taliban's oppressive rule. The Taliban is sowing the seeds of their own demise via popular revolution
The problem is, they've actually successfully reduced corruption from the unjust kleptocracy the US installed. Shits pretty bad when the fucking taliban can come along and create a less corrupt government.
By what metrics?
https://tradingeconomics.com/afghanistan/corruption-index
Along with the general removal of US money spigots and the CIA/DOD putting it's thumb on the scale for corrupt politicians that will collaborate with them. It's frankly the entire reason the regime folded so fast when the Taliban invaded. Entire divisions of troops were just some guy taking their paychecks and putting it into his pocket after forcing them to sign up. And when everyone is power is just blatantly stealing while being propped up by US agencies for being cooperative, well, it trickles down.
These Taliban sound like some real jerks.
Now I'm not the most up to date on politics and the like, so what I am about to say might be pretty controversial, but I'm sorta thinking I agree with you.
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Religion: Reminding people how stupid Humanity can be.
Oh hey they were just at madison square garden I think.
No, that was y'all qaeda
A tragedy. And too many men I guess are just going along with it.
Religion is a monstrous evil. Especially the Abrahamic cults.
Bizarre and unique, the Abrahamics' specific (yet general enough) characteristics. And evergreen! See only the Mormon church, a recent cult, for example - unbelievably successful. Invented out of whole cloth within the last 200 years. Tax exempt and owns ~4% of the land in the US today, to say nothing of their business interests (cuz it's even harder to know).
They venerate Jesus.
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Guess they can’t listen to the Taliban then, because they seem like a bunch of little bitches.
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Looks like it's time for sign language to rise. Are the Taliban going to say that women can't move their hands? (How will they serve their ~~masters~~ men otherwise?)
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