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Israel could kill everyone left in Northern Gaza if its assault on the enclave continues, a United Nations relief official warned on Saturday

“Hospitals have been hit, and health workers have been detained. Shelters have been emptied and burned down. First responders have been prevented from saving people from under the rubble. Families have been separated, and men and boys are being taken away by the truckload,”

Msuya estimated that Israel’s actions in the north had killed hundreds and displaced tens of thousands. According to Al Jazeera, an Israeli siege on the north that began earlier in October has killed around 640.

“The Biden-Harris administration must stop the flow of U.S. weapons to Israel which constitutes a necessary step to halting Israel’s ongoing war crimes,” IMEU wrote on social media Saturday. “It’s time for an arms embargo now.”

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (4 children)

As a (very ashamed) person living in Israel (I find it hard to call myself Israeli) there is no maybe or what ifs about it, Bibi wants to kill every single Palestinian and the Kahanists (ex: Naftali Bennett) want to kill every Muslim. There is no excuse, Israel is a genocidal apartheid state. If I as a person living in Israel can acknowledge that then yall .world users absolutely have no excuse.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

For this reason there is the “it’s antisemitic to criticise this war”

Heck even Jews have been accused to be antisemitic for criticising Israel.

We live in a post-facts era

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

At this point it's like saying "Wait, you want to STOP the Holocaust? Do you just hate Germans or something?"

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)
  • It is not antisemitic to not support Israel
  • It is not against the Israeli people to be antizionist
  • Its especially neither to not support the Israeli government
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[–] [email protected] 55 points 3 days ago (6 children)

That is what "genocide" means.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 days ago

And no political consequences.

In fact it’s anti-Semitic to investigate or charge these war crimes.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

With the full support of your government.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 days ago (4 children)

What the hell do you think 155mm artillery shells will do to a civilian population? Gaza is also being used to conceal Israel's expansion in the West Bank.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

They are not trying to conceal much anymore

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

That's what the in situ mass graves are for. They don't want the Israeli population to see all the bodies.

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 3 days ago (13 children)

I would not be surprised if they did that - and then continued their way south. Israel is clearly out to exterminate the Palestinian people by any means possible, from outright shooting and bombing them to starving them and killing them by witholding medical services.

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[–] [email protected] 123 points 4 days ago (1 children)

That's been the point the entire time

[–] [email protected] 60 points 4 days ago (5 children)

The entire population of North Gaza is at risk of dying.

Terrifying, but also completely obvious, and somehow most politicians don't seem to be upset at the vast loss of innocent life by state terrorism.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 4 days ago (1 children)

It's because their families aren't the ones getting bombed....

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago

Isn't that literally the Nethanyu plan?

[–] [email protected] 81 points 4 days ago (57 children)

If Israel actually completes its mission and kills every man, woman, and child in Palestine, would that make the western powers any more inclined to call it genocide?

[–] [email protected] 31 points 3 days ago (1 children)

They would start to "seriously consider the possibility that perhaps something was not right"

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 days ago

"We will have to think about scheduling a call to plan a meeting to start having talks about perhaps organising a committee which would make a recommendation as to how we should go about getting ready to write a sternly worded press release (in which we won't criticise Israel too much)."

The four stage strategy

[–] [email protected] 43 points 4 days ago

It took us a 100 years to officially recognize the Armenian Genocide.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 days ago (1 children)

They’ll move those goalposts. “We killed everyone in Gaza by having them starve to death but we spared West Bank!”

“We didn’t massacre the Arabs who have Israeli citizenship!”

“We just deported every Arab from Israel and all territory we control, but we didn’t kill them!”

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Or they’ll say something like ‘well actually, it’s genoslaughter not genocide because israel didn’t mean to kill all the Gazan’s they just did so accidentally.’

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 days ago

This is so disgusting. I never wanted to visit Israel even if it was for $free, but now I have even less respect for those Zionist assholes, and I had low respect for them before.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (18 children)

Most probably suspect it's genocide and know they, by not speaking out, at least support it passively. But it just doesn't matter for their immediate or the near future, so nothing will happen. Thoughts and prayers...

I see two main culprits that enable Israel to eradicate the Palestinian people and their livelihood in manner and speed we see now. The US and germany. Many other western political elites seem far more divided on the topic but probably fear the backlash of speaking out.

70% of the weapons come from the US and they will never stop to supply their FOB. Democrats or republicans will veto everything and make it as hard as possible to even reach a clear global verdict on what happened and how to classify it.

Most of the remaining 30% come from germany.

Here the key argument is that Israel is worthy of unwavering support due to the historical fact of the holocaust and the inhumane acts inflicted on the Jewish population.

Scholz said recently that the security of Israel is a National interest of germany. As a german I feel this too, although for me the state of Israel and the global jewish population we did unspeakable crimes to are not necessarily the same. There are lines that can be crossed that limit my willingness of support. It's not unconditional and they crossed them. Israel crossed them, not the jews.

I also feel past and present crimes the jewish people had to endure can be used to understand why Israel is acting the way it does but it can't be a justification of their barbaric way of waging this war against Hamas.

In short, nothing will change. Sorry for the long reply, this shit really grinds my gears.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 4 days ago

They would still call it Hamas

[–] [email protected] 21 points 4 days ago

Of course not, because they are complicit

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 days ago

Both interpretations of the word "may" are applicable here.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 4 days ago

Water is wet, UN Official Warns.

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