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Why are so many Pro-Palestine (I am pro-Palestine and anti-genocide) Americans refusing to vote for Harris due to her stance on Israel? (discuss.tchncs.de)

submitted 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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As the title states I am confused on this matter. The way I see it, the USA has a two party system and in the next few weeks they’re either going to have Trump or Harris as president, come inauguration day. With this in mind doesn’t it make sense to vote for the person least likely to escalate the situation even more.

Giving your vote to an independent or worse not voting at all, just gives more of a chance for Trump to win the election and then who knows what crazy stuff he will allow, or encourage, Israel to get away with.

I really don’t get the logic. As sure nobody wants to vote for a party allowing these heinous crimes to be committed, but given you’re getting one of them shouldn’t you be voting for the one that will be the least horrible of the two.

Please don’t come at me with pro-Israeli rhetoric as this isn’t the post for that, I’m asking about why people would make such choices and I’m not up for debate on the Middle East, on this post, you can DM me for that.

Edit: Bedtime here now so will respond to incoming comments in the morning, love starting the day with an inbox full 😊.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Democrats: "Either you vote us or you are fucked. And no you won't get what you really want (the end of the genocide, healthcare, whatever), but you can choose to eat out shit or the republican's. Are you happy with that? No? Fuck you and vote Harris anyway ah ah ah. You don't have a choice, we don't give a shit about you and your problems but you have to vote us. You have to."

You see, people are realising that their vote is useless by design, and maybe the only way to change something is to punish the party that pretend to be the good one, the one that pretend to be at your side and pretend to work for you but it really doesn't.

They are making you believe that democracy is just about preventing the others to get elected because they are worst. No it's not, and you should stop being a victim and do something, anything, to force them to change. Even if you get 4 years of Trump: whoever think that it makes a difference is delusional, he's just blatant fascist while Harris is secretly fascist. They are just two different seasoning for the same plate of shit.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (20 children)

Your vote is your consent.

Imagine for a minute that your perfect political candidate was running. The only catch is that if they win they are promising to personally execute your family in front of you. The other guy is gonna kill your family too so everyone tells you to stop being such a single issue voter and vote for the lesser evil.

Do you still vote for them? Or do you refuse to participate in the execution of your family?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Does refusing to vote stop your family from being executed?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Probably not. But it doesn’t include your consent at the very least.

Maybe you’re a perfectly objective person who can still vote for your families execution. But I think most people would struggle with it, if they’re being truly honest with themselves.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago (21 children)

In my situation, I'm in a solid blue state so I'm voting for a third party to push the country to the left.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago (2 children)

This kinda makes sense, I guess that means not a swing state (I’m not American).

Do you have to be in a heavy blue state to do this without fear that if enough people do this it will swing red?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Yes, exactly. If you live in a solid blue or red state, your vote is a drop in the bucket, so it won't matter if you vote third party. But in swing states like Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania.... in 2016, the number of votes won by Jill Stein was slightly greater than the difference between Trump/Clinton. Ouch! Was it worth it? Did it move the country left?

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You got many answers, but part of it is because of shit like this.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

good god, one would think this is something trump would do. at this point the choice is between an orange turd and an aipac approved vomit. and still there people questioning why we don’t want to eat either.

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