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So I went to check in online, and it asked me to check some boxes for what luggage I wanted to bring on board. I did, and it told me that to carry on both a backpack and a roller bag it’ll be $45, or $65 if I try to play games and they have to check stuff at the gate.

I said fuck that, and unchecked some boxes. It said I couldn’t check in without putting a credit card on file, that they would charge if there were any issues and they wound up needing to charge me for my luggage. It wouldn’t let me continue without putting a credit card on file and checking a box that said they could charge me for my luggage, if they felt it was excessive.

I said fuck that and decided to check in at the airport. I threw all my stuff in a backpack to remove any wiggle room, and the kiosk said the same thing. I talked to one of the people, and she said it’s a new policy. I pointed out that I paid for my ticket, she could see I had only a backpack, and I wanted to get in the airplane. She told me to go talk to the guy at the end.

I talked to the guy at the end, politely, and eventually he printed a boarding pass for me. But you should know they’re up to some bullshit.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I learned this about United this summer. Except the language they used didn't specifically rule out roller bags, it called them "full-sized carryon". I showed up with a checked bag and a small carryon. The desk agent told me wheels make it a "full-sized" regardless of the dimensions. Fortunately, I was able to stuff a bunch of stuff a bunch of my crap into my checked SCUBA bag, and repack my regs and underwear into the backpack I was bringing anyways.

Note: This was on an International flight so I REALLY didn't appreciate feeling like I was flying on a budget airline.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 days ago (1 children)

My sarcastic asshole would have snapped the wheels off the bag if that's the distinction they want to have.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago

Lol, Hilarious and justified but I get quite compliant around people who could stand between me and a SCUBA/ bachelor party trip.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Thank you for your comment, I was confused what people are complaining about (you've had to pay for carry on items since ~2008, which have always been different than a "personal item" which is like a backpack or tote bag that you can bring for free if you store under the seat in front of you). It sounded like people weren't understanding what a personal item was vs a carry on. But if they are arbitrarily saying wheels, regardless of size, also determine personal item vs carryon, I can see the frustration.

But otherwise their policy has been like this for a super long time - pay for carry on, and if you pay at the gate they charge extra. Almost 20 years now.

That being said I hold a grudge against all airlines for charging you a fee to pick your seat. They used to let you just pick it as a perk for booking online. Now they even have to nickel and dime our fucking loved one's emotional support while we pray that the plane doesn't fucking fall apart and while we breathe in the germs of some stranger next to us. Airlines are assholes.

Eta: airline fun fact - the CIA used to own an airline (this is verified by the CIA's website itself)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_America_(airline)

[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 days ago (1 children)

After having to fly United a bunch of times this summer, they changed the names of the tickets and invented a new "no one wants that" tier.

There's now standard economy which is what everyone's used to and gives you a "personal item" (i.e. a backpack or a purse) and a "carry on item", and basic economy which only includes the personal item. They mention it on their website, but on third party websites its not quite as obvious which ticket you're getting.

It has been a nightmare - on every single flight there's a crowd of people pissed that they aren't allowed a carry on with their ticket, with them having to run halfway across the airport to upgrade their tickets or pay 3x as much for a bag they thought was included.

If you're being charitable, it's a roundabout discount on checked bags to fix the problem they invented by charging for checked bags and then sucking at handling them. Every single flight I took had them asking for people to check their carry on for free because the bins were going to be overloaded, and it seems like they want to incentivize actually checking a bag again.

I started instantly asking them to gate check my carry on (for free) because honestly, the airport experience is way nicer when you don't have to deal with your luggage all the time. If you check 1 bag as a couple you might even save money, and if you're alone it might be worth the difference to not have to worry about only having two pairs of pants on your three week trip.

More realistically they want to normalize having to pay for carry on the same way they did checked bags, and they are trying to sneak around that by starting with only their new BS economy tier. Wouldn't surprise me if they got rid of "basic" and just made carry on a "business class" or whatever amenity.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 days ago

It's basic economics in its ugly application.

Usually, the people who are buying stuff come in different tiers: The people who want to pay the least at all cost, people who are careless enough to get fleeced out of a few dollars for the same crappy product if paying less is difficult, and people who are willing to pay a premium for really good stuff. There's an art to structuring your service to catch all of the tiers, and make sure that they're all going to pay the highest price they will accept, and I think "basic economy" is a new technological development in drawing a more effective distinction between tiers 1 and 2.

What makes it ugly is that they're designing deliberately punitive features into the service to push people up into tier 2 who would otherwise be going on Kayak and just clicking the "cheapest" button. If you have any willingness to pay $40 more, they want it. They're going to put you to the test a little bit, to make sure that you're committed to the lowest price, and then if so they're going to punish you a little for it, while still taking your money.

American and United are now both on the no-fly list for me, I think. I may have to see what airlines are decent, when you fly them one tier up.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I wish flying was affordable. My girlfriend lives in Korea and it's going to cost her 2k to come see my family in Canada in December. This is nearly double what she paid in 2017 for the same trip, and while it's not prohibitively expensive, it's deterrently expensive

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I read that as "United States" and the headline only started to look suspicious with the word "passengers".

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago

I thought Manchester United.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 6 days ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

why would I fly united? do they go places other airlines don't?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago

Because cheaper. And now, I know why.

[–] [email protected] 139 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Airlines are assholes and they keep getting worse. We’re at the end of the stage of capitalism where things seem somewhat ok sometimes and maybe good if you’re lucky. Everything is going to be awful and terrible to increasing degrees from here on.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago

End stage capitalism is more easily defined: all, or nearly all Consumer surplus has been converted to Firm profit.

[–] [email protected] 51 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Please drink verification can

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago

hits can

pick up that can

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Is this an ancient 4chan pasta?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago

It was such a ludicrous satire at the time and now it's just moderately hyperbolic

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[–] [email protected] 90 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I stopped flying United when they beat the shit out of one of their passengers and dragged him off the plane

[–] [email protected] 77 points 1 week ago (2 children)

For those unfamiliar with that incident:

On April 9, 2017, at Chicago O'Hare International Airport, four paying customers were selected to be involuntarily deplaned from United Express Flight 3411 to make room for four deadheading employees. One of these passengers was David Dao, 69, a Vietnamese-American who was injured when he was physically assaulted and forcefully removed from the flight by Chicago Department of Aviation Security officers. Dao, a pulmonologist, refused to leave his seat when directed because he needed to see patients the following day. In the process of removing him, the security officers struck his face against an armrest, then dragged him – bloodied, bruised, and unconscious – by his arms down the aircraft aisle, past rows of onlooking passengers. The incident is widely characterized by critics – and later by United Airlines itself – as an example of mishandled customer service.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 6 days ago (1 children)

did no one go to prison for this??? wtf

[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 days ago (1 children)

No, because United employees didn't beat the passenger up, the police did. That's not even remotely close to the worst thing that cops have gotten away with.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 6 days ago

i thought that wasn't actually police

Following a review prompted by the incident, in July 2017 the Chicago Department of Aviation reported that its unsworn, unarmed airport security personnel were not actually police officers under Illinois law. Their uniforms, badges and vehicles had been "improperly" labeled "police" for historical reasons. It promised that the incorrect insignia would be removed within months.

[–] [email protected] 61 points 1 week ago (2 children)

"mishandled customer service"

That is not the appropriate term for what happened!

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[–] [email protected] 66 points 1 week ago

Obligatory "fuck United".

They fucked up my vacation a number of years ago and I have since sworn them off. The most generous interpretation of the incident is that I missed an email updating a time change and arrived at the airport after the flight had left. Their next flight wasn't until the next morning. My wife and I were looking and there was a flight from a different airline that would have cost them $400 each to book for us (they wouldn't refund us so we could purchase that separately). The first agent at the counter completely understood our request but simply didn't have the authority to make that decision. So she got a supervisor. The supervisor did that annoying ass thing where they listen to your request and then restate it in objectively different terms to sound unreasonable. In the end they covered a hotel for the night and gave us $550 each in travel vouchers and lost a customer for life. So they ended up paying way more and lost a customer than had they not fucked around from the start. Had they paid the $400 from the beginning, we'd have given them much higher preference on our future flights which have been many.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 week ago (6 children)

I used to fly united quite a bit and it used to be pretty good. But these days my options for flying for work are united, delta, and southwest and I usually choose delta because they don't charge you for shit and you can have both an overhead carry on and a small bag plus free internet on the plane. In the end they're all shit, but I'm going to pick the lesser of the shits each time. Same reason I have Comcast internet.

[–] [email protected] 57 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I use Comcast because I have one choice and it’s Comcast

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 week ago (5 children)

That’s why almost everyone who uses Comcast uses Comcast.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Basic economy simply isn't worth it. They nickel and dime you with all the BS fees. And the credit card thing is total bullshit, too. They do it because they want to make sure they have your card on file in order to sell you overpriced snack boxes and charge them to your seat.

Once I had to buy a poor lady some crackers because she was on the last leg of a flight from Asia and hasn't eaten anything, but the stewardess couldn't take her money unless she had set up her CC ahead of time.

I fly United often enough for work that I have some status, so I'm one of the entitied snobs who board first and hog all the overhead space.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 week ago (7 children)

I refuse to fly domestically anymore just because the TSA is all security theater, I refuse to go through their backscatter x-ray, and I'm not interested in their enhanced groping. I will ride my motorcycle 1000 miles in a single day rather than take a plane anywhere.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 days ago

It is neither Dean nor Sam.

Besides, a motorcycle is far more fuel efficient; I typically get about 40-45mpg, v. 12mpg for a '67 Impala.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago

Road trip is more eco friendly anyways.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 week ago

That’s some budget airline behavior. If they want to do tha, they should price their flights accordingly.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 week ago

Yeah they've gotten really weird about forcing you to use their app and put a credit card on it constantly. Really annoying.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 week ago (8 children)

Its a good thing this hold over from immediately after the attacks on 9/11 happened is still in effect or the terrorist might have won.

Not to hijack the thread but which airlines is least likely to put you on a plane made by boeing?

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Well, they do break guitars...

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