I'll just wait for it to show up DRM-free on GOG at a discount ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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The first game was pretty good, but ran like shit for several years and was full of glitches...
Considering how broken games release these days, and now adding denuvo, I think it's gonna be a hot pile of garbage. I would delay getting it for a 2 years after release date at this point.
They're not getting any of my money if they keep Denuvo. As always, I'll just play something else.
With the exception of indy games if they're priced in a way I'm happy to take a punt, I only buy games after putting a few hours into the pirate copy. With the near extinction of demos and amount of bs out there over the last decade plus this became my only way of buying. It's why I bought the first KCD back in the day.
Without a copy to evaluate, I'm happy to wait for it to be cracked, and then happy to wait for the DRM to be removed before purchasing to avoid any related performance issues. It's a shame, but I'm not gonna lose sleep over it..
Demos have been making a comeback for awhile. You'd be surprised how many games have a demo, Indy and AAA.
I skipped buying Death Loop despite a decent sale on steam just yesterday because of denuvo.
It also made me more glad I just dropped Xbox game pass because that client didn't show it used it at all (or if it did, I didn't notice it), and it was on my wishlist because I had been playing it via game pass.
I wonder how many sales publishers leave on the table because of denuvo (both from people boycotting denuvo and from the lack of free advertising piracy gives) vs how many sales it generates because someone couldn't pirate a game instead of buying it.
Like my own experience with this is when I was playing pirated games, I picked games based on availability of a pirated version. If there was a specific game I wanted to play, I might have looked for it, but failing to find it wouldn't have meant I was headed to the store for it.
I later bought some of my favorite games after playing the pirated version. Great games made me want to give the devs money. Plus, people tend to talk about games they love, and others who hear about it might not go looking for a free version.
So all that makes me wonder if those who use denuvo are just paying extra for something that just hurts their sales instead of helping.
They MBA types treat it as something you just do these days. It protects the game from being pirated in those first few critical weeks of sale. Then they remove it as a gesture of goodwill and the anti-denuvo fans come back and buy the game anyway.
Deathloop came out in 21. Though as mentioned to the other reply, steam says denuvo anti-tamper rather than DRM (and they claim to have pirated it a year ago), so this could be a different use case.
Just wondering if the anti tamper involves anything in the kernel now, since that was the use case that was originally targeted with kernel level code.
I skipped buying Death Loop despite a decent sale on steam just yesterday because of denuvo.
Death Loop has Denuvo? I remember pirating that about a year ago.
Yeah, and based on my search it looks like it had it right from launch, too. Though the steam page says denuvo anti-tamper, so maybe that's not the same as the denuvo drm that (I think) uses encryption on certain parts of the code.
Fwiw, I didn't notice any annoying performance issues. Apparently there is/was a stutter that was fps dependent, but the devs said they didn't think it was related to denuvo.
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The mistake was pre-ordering in the first place
While I agree, we shouldn't criticize people for learning and changing for the better.
And it does send a signal.
We've had decades of pre-order shenanigans, you'd think every gamer and their mother would know to avoid them by now.
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The first game sold millions without any drm. Naturally, they had to add denuvo for the second game.
Their publisher was bought by Embracer shortly after the release of Kingdom Come Deliverance, maybe they're to blame here.
Fucking Embracer. They're a cancer on the industry
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Because it seems that whatever statistics Denuvo is peddling show that more sales are secured, even if it's cracked in the first few weeks.
Idk how true that is, obviously, just outlining why they're buying into it.
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addendum: Denuvo is sick of “toxicity,” says people only hate it because it works
I hate it because it's just a sign of disrespect of the publisher towards the legitimate customers. Guess who has a better experience when the DRM goes to shit or slows down the game? Those who didn't pay.
I just won't be part of the first customers, I'll wait for the game to be cleaned up of this bs.
If driving away sales counts as "it works", then good for them.
If people only hated it because it works, paying customers wouldn't be cancelling their preorders!
That's the key here. People who were willing to pre-pay for the game ahead of time are clearly not the target of the DRM, and yet they're the ones choosing to cancel their purchase. It's not pirates complaining because they want to play the game for free, it's people who were looking forward to buying the game.
People are voting with their wallets. They were willing to buy it. But this effects them and made the game no longer worth it. Pirates will pirate regardless. But you just lost some of the genuine customers by effecting them, pirates will have a "better" version.
I learned it the hard way by buying Shadow of the Tomb Raider after pirating and liking it, the same PC ran the legit version like shit, I bet they only have nasa PCs over there to test the DRM on.
I'm still gonna play it. This just changes whether I pay for it or not.
The one you find while treasure hunting runs better anyway.
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I can’t wait for the day when Denuvo ends up scaring away more legitimate customers than it actually helps to sell the game. It seems like we are slowly getting there :')
I can't wait until some major vulnarability in Denuvo pops up and either gets widely exploited or AV programs start to warn against it due to security risks
It's way past that point long ago.
But shareholders don't understand that, so publishers will continue forcing developers to use it.
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Well this is really helpful. I loved the original KCD. Backed it, have it on GOG. Was hyped for the second one. Now I won't be getting it.
I seriously considered preordering, seeing how much I enjoyed the first installment. Fortunately Denuvo prevented me from doing so. I'll wait until that piece of trash is patched out, it'll probably be cheaper by that time as well. Thanks Denuvo!
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Oh no, they're putting denuvo on it? Man I loved the first game. I don't think they even had anything close to a problem with piracy because it was a huge hit. Like, it not only did amazing for Warhorse Studios, but it made a huge tourism jump for the region.
That's a bummer, and as much as I want to support KC:D II, I can't support denuvo.
I also have stop being interested in games because of Denuvo. Understandable.
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Does that mean proton will not work?
No, denuvo works with proton
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