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North America’s electoral systems are so broken. It’s painful to see so much negativity, frustration, and fear directed at third parties in general. If that same energy was directed towards building a ranked choice voting system with proportional representation, like single transferable voting (STV), the duopolies would crumble and we could all actually vote for whoever we want without having to worry we might end up with the worst candidate winning.
Picture a situation where various political parties vie to unseat the Republicans. With more representative electoral systems, voters could select their preferred candidates, while still counting their vote against the Republican party even if their choice doesn’t win, all without the spoiler effect. Since voting methods are set at the state level, we don’t need to wait for federal reforms; some states have already enacted electoral changes. For instance, Alaska recently chose a more moderate conservative over Sarah Palin due to Ranked Choice voting.
Who would oppose having multiple opportunities to diminish Republican power? The Democratic Party would. In blue states, they could replace First Past The Post voting with a system that eliminates the spoiler effect. Yet, year after year, election after election, Democrats remain inactive on passing state level electoral reform in the states they control.
Republicans are moving to protect FPTP voting in red states. Why do the democrats want to use the voting system republicans prefer?
Its not that democrats dont know about the flaws in the voting system either. Just mention voting for a third party to any Democrat, and they’ll readily acknowledge the weaknesses of the voting system. Comments about the Green Party here will further illustrate their understanding of this issue.
If democrats understanding the problem, yet refuse to fix it, can only mean one thing. The Democrats prefer the country balancing over a fire pit of fascism rather than truly competing for our votes. They would rather this country be lost to authoritarianism then to play on a even playing field.
Party over country at all costs.
I'll never forget what third party voting gets us; additional fucking choices beyond the dominant two-party system, encouraging broader participation. When a Republican or Democrat candidate loses any race, it's common to see them use third party candidates as a scapegoat.
If this were true then American politics really are terrible. Minority should hold seats. America needs to revisit representation.
This is the way.
Every one so excited to back the lesser of two evils and wondering why things are the way they are
Cool lie, dude! These numbers are all at least slightly off. In Michigan, Trump won by 11,612, and Stein got 50,700. In Wisconsin, Trump won by 27,257, and Stein got 30,980. Most importantly, in Pennsylvania, Trump won by 68,735, while Stein only got 48,912, meaning even if every Stein voter in this graphic went to Clinton, Clinton still would have lost not only Pennsylvania, but also the Electoral College, with the final total being 280 to 258.
Given that this is at least the second time this user has been caught spreading disinformation through fake infographics, we should all be more skeptical of their posts. They clearly either don't know or don't care about the reality.
To convince Greens or Carlins (people who don't vote because the Democrats are still too evil from their point-of-view) to vote for Democrats, you need to understand yourself and them. Once you do that, you'll be able to offer more convincing arguments to support your position.
If you're voting for Democrats, you possibly agree with the following scale of evilness:
The thing is that some Greens see the world very differently:
The Greens' (and Carlins') priorities are very different. They may think that choosing to make the biosphere unlivable is the worst thing you can do, because without a biosphere that supports life, nothing else matters.
As he campaigned for president in 2020, Joe Biden made a bold promise at a New Hampshire town hall, adding repetition for emphasis: “No more drilling on federal lands. Period. Period. Period. Period.” […] The Biden administration has now outpaced the Trump administration in approving permits for drilling on public lands, and the United States is producing more oil than any country ever has. […] The reality is the United States is already dominant. The country is expected to produce 13.2 million barrels of oil per day on average this year — millions of barrels more than Saudi Arabia or Russia. https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2024/08/16/biden-oil-drilling-production/
They may think that torturing trillions of fish to death every year, and enslaving hundreds of billions of animals in torturous conditions every year, is worse than all genocides and wars in all of history combined. They think that voting for someone who enables even a single genocide is a line they won't cross.
They may think that given the choice between popular Hitler, popular Stalin, and unpopular Gandhi; they'd rather vote for Gandhi than the popular lesser evil, because that specific evil is omnicidally evil. That it's better to vote for good and fail, than it is to vote for evil and succeed.
This is actually a pretty hilarious take.
Farmers being worse than Hitler and Stalin. Torturing trillions of fish to death annually. Jesus as the baseline for evil. An election between Hitler, Stalin, and Gandhi. High regard (-7) for "them". Eating meat "worse than all genocides and wars in all of history combined".
I feel like Democrats really nailed it about their political opponents. "Weird". It applies to all the weirdo Christian nationalism, and it certainly applies to whatever militant vegan political compass nonsense this is too.
Support ranked choice voting
Spoiler effect is fun
Most people that vote third party wouldn't vote otherwise. Assuming that every vote for Jill Stein would've gone to Hillary is quite the assumption. I always vote third party, so assuming my current vote for Jill Stein would've gone towards Harris instead is just dumb and wrong.
America's system is a problem.
Yeah no shit. But 2 weeks from the election isn't the time to try to fix it.
Its the only time to fix it
What's your plan for getting a functional better system ready within two weeks? Because if you have an actually feasible suggestion, I nominate you for president.
Complain about it and get them to put it on their docket. Same as every other issue we care about.
The only way to have entrenched political parties adapt election laws is to vote for alternatives. Only at election time can the topic of election reform be addressed.
/* in countries with a broken democracy