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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Almost like Clinton should have run a real campaign in MI😃. Stop running unpopular candidates and blaming it on greens. How embarassing lol.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

It's possible more than one thing contributed to Clinton losing...

At any rate Harris is running a great campaign. So much so that every single potential voter is being considered, even the people that might be getting scammed into voting for Jill Stein. I don't think the Hilary's campaign even considered going after the people voting green because it was assumed those votes wouldn't be a significant factor. The Harris campaign isn't leaving any stone unturned. That means challenging people who are promoting third parties more.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Evidence that third party votes would of voted otherwise? If people don't like any candidates, they might not vote at all

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

a vote for stein is a vote for trump, both of which are a vote for poo-tin

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

Best Putin Pronunciation Award Goes To..

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (3 children)

But I didn't want Clinton to win. My picks were: 1. Lessig, 2. Sanders, 3. Stein, 4. Johnson (Gary), 5. blank. Knowing only what I knew in 2016, I disliked Trump and Clinton equally, and would never have voted for either one.

(And yes, I did know that Sanders had endorsed Clinton.)

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (4 children)

I would hope that you learned something from your error, but this comment shows clearly you haven't. I learned it when I voted for John Anderson and in my tiny way contributed to Reagan winning: in America, you vote to keep the worst fascist out of power, and if it means voting for someone who isn't perfect but has the numbers to do it, that's who you vote for. The primary may be your opportunity to show support for other parties, and you can go to rallies and spread the good word to influence the discussion, but until the day your third party candidate has enough potential votes to actually win it, you help hold the wall.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

in my tiny way contributed to Reagan winning

Reagan won in a landslide

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

John Anderson shoutout!

Man, Lemmy is awesome.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I'm going to dress up as third party voting for Halloween

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (11 children)

Stein wasn't even the only third party candidate stealing votes. I voted for Gary Johnson with the Libertarian party as a "protest vote". Glancing at national results, he had almost three times as many votes as Stein did.

I was 100% the moron this meme is targeted towards. I voted for Harris yesterday.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (2 children)

But you aren’t a moron if you learned from your mistakes. It means the opposite.

I wish we had ranked choice voting. Then these protest votes would still work and not screw with the system so bad and we could fight the stranglehold of the two party system.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I want something like this where I live. We have FPTP here, but we have a viable third option in some areas. I'd be happier to to have more than 2 robust parties on the national stage.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

I was that moron too in 2016.

Never again.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (18 children)

The Jill Stein hate requires a lot of ignorance and very little faith in the candidate running at the head of the Democratic Party.

Obama crushed McCain and Romney, green party be damned. Biden squeaked by Trump on thinner margins than Trump beat Hilary. Nobody cared about Stein in that race.

What changed? Why are Democrats so terrified of the green party all of a sudden?

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

Hey good on you for being open to change your stance. So many people these days cant.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Thanks, bro. Legit appreciate it.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's Jill Stein's fault the dems ran Hillary, it was all her master plan all along. She's also the one who did whatever the email shit was they people screamed about for 6 years

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Stein can run AND you can be a dolt for voting for her AND we legally permit you to vote like a dingus, but (also legally) you go on a vote tally and we know how many dolts there were and we get to mock you as a small comeuppance for your ruination of everyone else’s attempt to improve our daily lives and those around us.

Not to suggest that we get to mock you specifically! Because we protect everyone in that way. SO FAR. But you’ll know who we’re mocking. Because we protect that, too.

SO FAR.

Hope that helps you make a better comment next time.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Isn't Al Gore vs Bush an even better example?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

If you ignore Katherine Harris and the Brooks Brothers Rioters shutting down the recount

Gore was slatted to win Florida until the SCOTUS ruled to end the recount and hand the election to Bush.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I didn't actually realize the numbers were that high for her... Ffs.

They know what they're doing. The elections in swing states are always down to razor margins. The right spoiler is almost a guaranteed win for the opponent :/

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Third parties certainly know what effect they have. Their motivation is not to make the second party candidate win. Their motivation is to change the first party candidate.

According to Hotelling's Law, a two-party political system with FPTP voting results in candidates that are very similar. This is why the Democrats won't run real progressives for most offices, and why Sanders was forced out in 2016 with the excuse that he wasn't "electable" enough.

Third parties running for president aren't trying to win. They're trying to eat some of the votes on their side, thus pulling the main party candidates toward that third party candidate to reclaim those votes.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Third parties certainly know what effect they have.

Third party candidates that are running specifically in presidential elections and nothing else.

Third parties that actually want to move the needle participate in local elections, caucus with a major party for ballot access, etc. (WFP)

Their motivation is not to make the second party candidate win.

Bullshit.

Green's team literally stated the goal was for Kamala to lose.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

https://www.nj.com/politics/2024/10/harris-vs-trump-spoiler-says-the-quiet-part-out-loud.html

You can find others if you'd like to look, quite easily.

Edited to add the quote from Sawant:

We are not in a position to win the White House, but we do have a real opportunity to win something historic, we could deny Kamala Harris the state of Michigan. And the polls show that most likely Harris cannot win the election without Michigan.

Its pretty clear the goal there.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Can we get a nsfw tag? That twat's neckgina is making me sick.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

Eugh thanks 😬

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (11 children)

Also, the 2000 Presidential election results in Florida:

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

Oh my god what a tight race. I wonder what the closest vote in US history was.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

I don't know if you've noticed this about Stein voters, but they're very unlikely to switch their vote from Stein to Harris. If anything, there would suddenly be an unexplainable surge in write-in votes for Putin.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

These numbers are not correct according to NY Times

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

So early voting has started in some states. Get out and vote people

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