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Senior Democrats in US cities are preparing to defend their communities in the event of Donald Trump’s return to the White House after the former president has repeated threats that he would use presidential powers to seize control of major urban centers.

Trump has proposed deploying the military inside major cities largely run by Democrats to deal with protesters or to crush criminal gangs. He has threatened to dispatch large numbers of federal immigration agents to carry out mass deportations of undocumented people in so-called “sanctuary” cities.

He also aims to obliterate the progressive criminal justice policies of left-leaning prosecutors.

“In cities where there has been a complete breakdown of law and order … I will not hesitate to send in federal assets including the national guard until safety is restored,” Trump says in the campaign platform for his bid to become the 47th US president, Agenda47.

Trump provoked uproar earlier this week when he called for US armed forces to be deployed against his political rivals – “the enemy within” – on election day next month. But his plans to use national guard troops and military personnel as a means to attack those he sees as his opponents go much wider than that, spanning entire cities with Democratic leadership.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (5 children)

We're thiiiiis close to the death of the "free world." Fascism is a blink away.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Seriously, and it's his supporters that are the problem.

Trump is obviously a buffoon, but it's his mass of ignorant bigots, thieves, and exploiters that give him his power.

Even if he loses, these people aren't going anywhere. They are the real problem.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

Always has been.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

It’s so sad too. I just visited a concentration camp and memorial in Germany with plaques highlighting the evils of facism and thought to myself wow, there it is, in my home country (US). And I hope we don’t continue to get worse.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

I wish we'd have that level of openness here in Romania. There's plenty of Romanians who think of the Holocaust as a specifically German thing and are wilfully ignorant about our complicity.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

Don't worry, It Can't Happen Here.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Think Trump wouldn't deputize a few million Red Hats?

It's a lot easier to mess things up than it is to fix them after they are broken.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

Yay entropy.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Do we have any idea of what military heads are thinking about that? Are they enthusiastic, mixed, or ready to oppose their commander in chief?

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

Oh goodie, this that whole reason we have the 2nd amendment thing? Should work out great.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

Hey if the military takes over my town they're going to be upset. As well they should be.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

Sounds like he's promoting firing up civil war tbh. How much of that could he get away with before people aggressively fight back? Or at least I hope we'd aggressively fight back

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

I guess he's seen the episode of deep space nine and thought it would be a good idea...

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (4 children)

I feel like everyone forgot what happened last time.

People in unmarked vans with no identifying patches or badges, just fatigues, grabbing people off the streets at night in the northwest.

Even worse than the official fascists, the unofficial ones who were emboldened to act with impunity, riding into cities and inciting violence. Attempting to run Kamala's bus off the road in 2020 in Texas.

Dems run like they want to lose. Always conceding the arguments of the fascists. Touting the endorsement of monsters like Dick Cheney. The kinds of monsters who made the Republican party what it is today.

If "senior democrats" actually gave a shit about avoiding conflict in the US, they'd actually be fighting for universal voting rights and eliminating FPTP voting.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Oh, I fuckin remember.

Honestly, if Trump somehow pulls out a win - and definitely, if he pulls out a win with some very clearly bullshit tactics involving GOP congressional leaders and the Tribunal of Six - I am completely serious when I say I expect an order of magnitude increase of political violence, up to and including a potential civil war. It’s that bad.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (3 children)

A civil war is the only thing that can pull the US out of a Trump win, because fascists never give up power by choice and no one is coming to save us

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Mega donors don't want anti fascist rhetoric because it cuts into the profit margins

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

It's almost as if fascism and unbridled capitalism have some kind of a mutually beneficial relationship.

Weird.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Allowing direct sales from car manufacturers and cracking down on unregulated supplements would knee cap fascism immediately

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This feels like it attacks the problem at the margins. How is this approach more effective than direct dilution of power and flattening of hierarchies?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

This approach would be a step along the way to that goal. A good chunk of fascist support comes from people selling supplements or used cars (there was a recent It Could Happen Here ep discussing this). Those people have money, power, and outsized influence on politics from local to federal. Disrupting their profits disrupts and dilutes their power. If your goal is to disrupt fascism there must be concrete steps to doing that, and this would be one.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

You hit it on the head. The unmarked vans, unbadged troops, people "disappearing"--those were their practice drills and how they'll do it. Uniformed troops will also be used in some situations (like the mass deportations), but the ones doing the daily dirty work against any demonstrators, specific political targets, etc. ("the enemy within") will be those incognito forces. 😧

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

So, ghettoes. And not the US ghettoes of the 60s and 70s, but the German ghettoes of the 30s and 40s.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

No not ''at risk''. This is his NUMBER ONE policy promise. He's running on this. Explicitly. Why are we pretending it's not?

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (34 children)

Correct, so maybe we could stop protesting Harris over Israel until AFTER the fucking election?

Just saying, we should probably stop the genocide coming for us before we try to stop the one not in our backyard? I mean it's going to be harder to get Israel to stop bombing Palestinian children and give humanitarian aide to said children while we're lined up for Trump's gas chambers

signed, a transgender woman who don't want to end up in a mass grave full of other AMAB individuals all of us wearing pink triangles!

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