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[–] [email protected] 133 points 2 years ago (8 children)

It's a great game but there IS a catch that wasn't mentioned.

The devs plan on implementing one of the more intrusive Anti-Cheats (Face It Anti Cheat) which doesn't work on Linux which also stops all Steam Deck users from playing. It also forces you to disable virtualization on windows. I can't recall the last time I had to go into bios to disable an option to turn off important windows features.

According to their stream, it's non-negotiable and will be added regardless of what the community wants. But they did mention that community servers would be able to pick which Anti Cheat they wanted to use?

[–] [email protected] 45 points 2 years ago (1 children)

But they did mention that community servers would be able to pick which Anti Cheat they wanted to use?

As I understand, there are three tiers to this:

  • Official servers will use FaceIt exclusively.
  • Servers rented from official partners will have the choice of FaceIt or EAC.
  • Community-run servers will only be able to use EAC, and won't be hooked into the global progression system.

One of the many problems with FaceIt is that the server-side component is not allowed to be freely distributed, which is why community-run servers won't have the option to use it.

Personally, there is no way I am buying this unless if they reverse their plans to use FaceIt.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I will also not be buying this unless they don't use FACEIT

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Disable virtualization? Hah right. Yeah, that's a no go.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 years ago

Well, fuck. My hopes were raised and then dashed in the span of minutes.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 years ago

From what I read, it also requires Secure Boot to be enabled. I played the game for 90 minutes before reading about the anti-cheat change, fortunately I didn't hit 2 hours and took a refund.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 years ago

As someone that uses virtual machines frequently, I look at my like 16 hours in the game. Fuck. I hope they don't do that, this is the Battlefield I've been wanting for years. ;-;

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Well, shit. I hope I have under two hours so I can refund it.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 years ago

You can likely get a refund even over 2 hours for this.

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[–] [email protected] 76 points 2 years ago

I considered it, but am now avoiding it because they're going to add a Linux-incompatible anticheat.

[–] [email protected] 67 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I was about to buy this but apparently they are planning to change their current anti cheat software to FaceIt which does not support Linux. EAC is still used for upcoming selfhosted servers but ranking up is disabled. I'd rather not feel like being considered as a second class citizen so I'll have to skip for now.

Other than that the game looks fun. I prefer to look in to the current state of the game rather than the promises of future content (which kind of contradicts my anti cheat point but eh), and I feel like the current price would be worth it even though it's an early access game.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 years ago

yeah, Im enjoying it right now, but if they choose to make my experience not playable, I would expect a refund =/

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago

Yep, same here.

Thankfully there is enough games for me to be happy

[–] [email protected] 56 points 2 years ago (5 children)

I love to see indie games pop off. I hate to see Linux-hostile anti-cheats. C'est a la vie.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I've been having a lot of fun with it. Even if I only get a few weeks or months until they add FACEIT, it's worth the $15.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I was interested about this game by the article, but what is FACEIT?

[–] riskable 16 points 2 years ago

FACEIT is yet another completely useless, doesn't-actually-work, trust-the-client anti-cheating tool. Basically, it makes it so that cheaters (and the game publisher) can claim cheating isn't happening because, "there's an anti-cheat tool" but in reality it doesn't stop actual cheaters.

The entire purpose of anti-cheat tools appears to be to stop casual Linux gamers from being able to play the game. Microsoft has a big part in it as well because the very same intentional vulnerabilities in Windows that hackers use to install undetectable rootkits are what get used by anti-cheat software.

If Microsoft wanted they could close those vulnerabilities by making all privilege levels above administrator (of which Windows has two which is insane) inaccessible to anyone but Microsoft. Instead they just collect money from 3rd party vendors to sign their driver encryption keys, inherently trusting those vendors not to make software with vulnerabilities. It's a recipe for insecurity and Microsoft likes it that way. It acts as a form of vendor lock-in.

Anti-cheat tools pretty much all work with the same basic assumption: Trust the client. What's the first rule of network programming? Never trust the client!

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Anti-cheat, I assume it breaks Linux compatibility and/or runs with basically unlimited permissions on your PC

Edit: details here

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

From what I understand, FACEIT is a "better" anti cheat that the developers want to use to replace the current Easy Anti Cheat. Their current implementation of Easy Anti Cheat supports Linux and Steam Deck while FACEIT does not, and will not support Linux

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The game itself is a workmanlike Battlefield with a few oddball choices. I hope they never "fix" the vaulting behaviour that lets you break a 20-storey fall and make massive jumps across rooftops.

But I've specifically been having a lot of fun with the proximity chat. Remarkably robust, has an opt-in "broadcast your mic for a few seconds when you die" feature, and somehow isn't a sluice of slurs / edgy crap / etc (at least in my experience).

The anticheat news is really depressing though. Cheaters are out there and will come to this game, and EAC at least has a reputation of being quite weak. We're not allowed to have nice things.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Looks interesting; one of the things keeping me away from some FPS games is the sheer amount of micro transactions. I’d spend 15 and get something good and fair for everyone who plays instead of being asked to put in another purchase every few minutes!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago

I've been playing this game a lot the past few days. it's just plain fun. A nice refreshing FPS in the era of BRs and battle passes.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It’s a great game! Runs super smoothly and it’s got a lot of great QoL features. $15 is a steal

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 years ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 years ago

Dude could really use a pass by a native speaker. A lot of that sentence structure is pretty rough.

But yeah, that's enough to keep me from buying it. I won't use Windows again.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 years ago

That's unfortunate

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago (2 children)

If you are in to singleplayer bot matches Ravenfield is pretty cool. The game's workshop is vast, so you can go from a WWI shooter to 40K and everything in between.

It's natively Linux so that's neat as well

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 years ago

BattleBit Remastered on Steam

BattleBit Remastered is a low-poly, massive multiplayer FPS, supporting 254 players per server. Battle on a near-fully destructible map with various vehicles!

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago

Stop it. I have too many steam games already. But at this point, what's one more? You convinced me.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 years ago (4 children)

I've been playing a ton of combat master.

F2p with no bs, I love it, and it has a proper Linux client, it even runs natively on Wayland for me.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The catch is that you can't yet run your own servers or LAN, from what I've seen.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm past the refund period. I wish I knew this sooner.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The refund period isn't a hard set in stone thing. Send support a request and it's likely to be granted. When tlou came out plenty of people with way more than 2 hours got refunds.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago

I'm mostly concerned about not being able to play it on Steamdeck anymore. I can still play it on PC. But doesn't seem like a good choice to have that anti cheat. Thanks, gotta think about it.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

LevelCap has a great video about how 3 guys made a better battlefield game then EA/DICE. I had fun the one night I've gotten to play so far but I was kind of drunk so I didn't do very well. I'm a Battlefield player of many years and it's the most fun I've had playing since 4.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Not entirely sure what the hell the article was talking about, there are already bonus editions that give you skins. Same as any other game.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I put this one my wishlist but had held off due to it being in early access. But I am reconsidering now!

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago

Buy it! It's so fun and for 15 bucks it's a deal

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago

I used to play the playtests a bunch - definitely a fun game, but not for me. I'd recommend it!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago (7 children)

Anyone who says they value gameplay over graphics needs to get this game if they like the Battlefield genre

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago

this game fucks

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