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Damn, that's fucked up, sounds like the democrats should do something other then support genocidal states if they want that support so desperately.
This one weird trick will make white libs cry.
"will vote against Harris" (read: for trump, because that is how our trash elections work) "Neither side will do the right thing on the genocide...so we will elect the one with the worst position and get a bonus of bringing about all manner of horrible outcomes here at home too!"
Alrighty, it's your vote. MAGA uses it to make emotionally driven decisions based on ignorance for outcomes that hurt themselves and those around them, it is fair to let these well-meaning clowns join them in that. Our very own blueMAGA. I hope you lose in a mind-shattering crushing defeat, and then Kamala proves you all wrong. I have my doubts on the last bit, but if y'all can be stupid enough to vote for trump, I can be the same to hope for unlikely change (with the benefit of not also supporting suffering here too).
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You should educate yourself by reading The Problem of Political Leadership in the Formation and Development of the Nation and the Modern State in Italy from Gramsci's Prison Notebooks and studying trasformismo in Italian history instead of infantilizing an entire marginalized group over their justified stance against the system currently genociding their friends and family 👍 trust me, you'll learn a lot about our current political situation.
They aren't voting for Trump, but Claudia De La Crúz and Jill Stein.
Yup every vote that isn't for Kamala is less votes the other side has to get to win. All for someone that has zero chance. That is voting for trump by proxy. GJ 👍
A vote for Harris is a vote for Trump!
That would make sense if there were ranked choice voting.
there isn't, though
Ranked choice will not save anyone, nor is it even going to be established in the US.
It could be if enough people pushed for it, like they should, since it's objectively better in every way from first past the post, and would actually make doing things like this work.
How does that translate into reality? More people want Medicare For All and legalized weed, and even abortion rights. It isn't as simple as saying "it could be if enough people pushed for it," the parties don't operate on public will.
Do you believe no legislation has ever been passed due to public will?
I believe what drives the direction of the parties is maintaining their position and appeasing their donors. Legislation that fits popular will but goes against the former drives, like RCV, are a fantasy.
https://thefga.org/research/ranked-choice-voting-partisan-plot-to-disrupt-elections/
Great, it works out for the democrats, we just need it to be popular.
It doesn't, really. You'll see when it fizzles out.
Additonally, we can see even in other countries with RCV that it doesn't majorly improve things, RCV isn't a panacea, the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie still dominates the electoral system.
I never said it was a panacea, I said you'd be able to vote for better candidates without risk, currently it makes no sense to vote for candidates that have no chance of winning.
if it fizzles out It'll be because of republicans, that many bills in that short of a time is not insignificant
i don't understand why you're arguing against ranked choice, it's objectively and obviously better than fptp
do vou think voting jill stein has a higher chance of success even though it's mathematically impossible?
if everyone doing that instead pushed for ranked choice, maybe you'd get some actual long term results instead of just throwing your vote away
I'm not arguing against RCV, I'm arguing against the idea that
1: it will ever pass, and
2: the idea that if it passed, it would change anything.
Revolution is necessary, something you'd think was obvious given your username.
1: it will ever pass, and
https://thefga.org/research/ranked-choice-voting-partisan-plot-to-disrupt-elections/
you're wrong there, by your own reasoning, it would be hugely beneficial for the democrats to pass ranked choice.
2: the idea that if it passed, it would change anything.
Of course it would change things, you're clearly all or nothing, but the fact of the matter is ranked choice voting is OBJECTIVELY a better system, and it would allow you to actually run candidates and potentially make meaningful change. You would never have to hopelessly strategically vote and end up accomplishing nothing, you could have a socialist candidate that you could freely vote for without helping fascists. This is massive even if you refuse to acknowledge it.
Revolution is necessary, something you’d think was obvious given your username.
I agree, revolution is necessary to fix everything, but I don't think revolution is more realistic than passing ranked choice voting, because i'm not braindead. The fact is, passing ranked choice would still be of great benefit to the working class, just because it doesn't become your ideal utopia overnight doesn't mean ranked choice doesn't matter at all and isn't worth doing.
By your own logic, if no policy has ever benefitted the american people without a revolution, why did the ACA pass?
It's probably best not to bother - these people want things as shitty as possible as fast as possible to make the revolution happen sooner or some shit
No they don't, they just feel hopeless because meaningful change should be easy because a lot of the solutions are really fucking obvious but the MAGA side of the american people are actually mentally handicapped, and the democrat side is made moderate by their existence so almost nothing ever gets accomplished and it makes it feel like nothing CAN be accomplished.
The problem, of course, is that they have opted for the self-destructive course and lash out uselessly at people who want change but have been forced to look at the reality of the situation and try to reduce damage as much as possible.
What they are doing now, calling anyone who votes Democrat a genocide supporter, is a prime example of that useless lashing out, as it isn't productive, particularly in a rather small online space.
Well idk how Harris can possibly think that videos of her being “slay” and “brat” will fool people who are against genocide into siding with her. It’s very fucked up and Trump is going to be much worse for domestic politics, but I think at this point Arabs have nothing to lose. Also I don’t think many of them would for Trump, they’d rather vote third party or not at all.
Seeing yourself dehumanized on a daily basis by the current administration I wouldn’t give a shit either. They have already shown what they stand for and they promised to continue. If the dems lose against Trump, it’s their own fault. They know what to do, they need to stop the genocide, but they won’t and Arab voters see that.
Trump is gonna suck but that dipshit only cares about money and personal flattery, which adds the element of unpredictability. He’s mostly likely going to be even worse than Biden because he won’t give a shit about Palestinians, but any random shit could happen that makes him do a u-turn. I don’t think it’s likely but it’s the only good thing I could see coming out of this.
He’s mostly likely going to be even worse than Biden because he won’t give a shit about Palestinians
Biden also does not give a shit about Palestinians. I don't know how anyone can watch the happenings of the last year and come away with the idea that Biden gives a single shit about Palestinians.
Yeah you’re absolutely right and I actually never meant to say that Biden gives any shit about Palestinians, I just formulated this in a stupid way. Maybe this is a better formulation:
He’s mostly likely going to be even worse than Biden. But while he also won’t give a shit about Palestinians, any random shit could happen that makes him do a u-turn. I don’t think it’s likely but it’s the only good thing I could see coming out of this.
true, I agree! he's very unpredictable. apologies for coming off as aggressive, I think everyone is running at very high tensions these days.