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[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Elián González is now an anti-USA politian in Cuba. And quite frankly, I don't blame him. It's pretty easy to see what will happen when you force a child to go through tramatic events resulting in the loss of family.

And the trump administration is 16-20 years after the Elián González situation happened. They could already see the results happen in real time by that point.

Long after this post is forgotten about by everybody, including me, we're going to see some of these 1300 children today become anti-usa voices when they become adults.

And they'll have fully justified reasons for thinking that way.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Elian lost his mother coming here and was living with relatives in Miami. His Cuban father (rightfully, in my opinion) wanted him back. His family here reasonably argued that his mother's last act was to bring him to the US and hence he should remain.

The legal battle and ultimate decision he was to be sent back traumatized an innocent kid, but it's not the same. The US was in the middle of a family fight where both sides were asserting viable arguments and the kid was a pawn. I don't see that being a US policy mistake.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago (3 children)

I was refering more to the part where federal agents breached his miami home, with him being about 6 years old, and having an assault riffle pointed at him as agents screamed orders and made his crying face one of the top news stories of the year.

That's the part I was referring to. Not a legal court battle.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Pretty much every politician is anti US in Cuba. It’s a one party system and loyalty is the price for a paycheck.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Why would any Cuban politician be pro USA when said country is blocking every possibility of trade with other countries which results in food scarcity because Cuba is too small to do all production domestically and is therefore lacking in large scale farming equipment and fuel?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Because the ones here grew up hating those there and live in a state of fuck them.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago

They will never find them again barring getting lucky with both the parents and the kids picking the right DNA testing company. At which point that company will sell its data to the U.S. government.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Til Biden didn’t do anything to reunite the families and in fact continued separating families: https://immigrantjustice.org/staff/blog/biden-administration-routinely-separates-immigrant-families

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago

This is not the same thing at all. Trump instituted a zero tolerance policy, separating any family caught crossing illegally with the stated intent to dissuade families from making the trip.

Normally (including under Biden) the government separates children from suspected human traffickers or members of gangs that engage in trafficking. This is not to deter families. It's to protect children - sending a child back to Mexico with a human trafficker is an abhorrent thing to do.

Stop carrying water for Trump.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Vote blue no matter who! Even when they're basically holding your queer loved ones hostage.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago

When the alternative is having those loved ones denied medical care, locked up, or shuffled off to the camps, yes.

You don't have to be happy about it, but you do have to keep the unabashed fascists out of power. There's 1,458 other days in the election cycle to convince, cajole and bully the Democrats into being less bad.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Standard Democrat fare - they'll perpetuate the worst of the GOP nonsense, fix some of it, and generally be less terrible. Also see: Gitmo.

...but as long as the alternative is the GOP, who will make everything far worse far faster (to the point that they're likely to end the moribund US democracy next term), you need to get out and vote for them up and down the ballot.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It's a standard good cop, bad cop routine. They're playing off each other to keep the people perpetually in conflict, and scared. Both sides are convinced that every election means the end of democracy if they lose, and neither side is in a position to demand change, instead desperately trying to cling to the remnants of their former liberties.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I agree with the sentiment in the sense that they have shared class interests, but the GOP wants, and will institute massive, sweeping change for the worse as the Dems deliver a mixed bag in broad defence of the status quo that benefits them.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

When was the last time that the Dems undid something that the GOP did? They throw their hands in the air and go "it sucks that the GOP did that! Oh well!". As far as actually enacting policies, there are few, and they're far in-between, but they're considerably better than what the GOP does. The Affordable Care Act comes to mind as a piece of positive legislation, but that was over a decade ago now.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago

He rolled back changes to the endangered species protections earlier this year for one.

You're also neglecting to mention that they're FAR less prone than the GOP to implement horrific, anti-democratic, regressive, fascistic policies than the GOP. While the Democrats are bad, the GOP is horrific - and when there's only 2 available options and this much of a spread between them, you need to vote to slow the decline.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

The democrats are following the law set up by the republicans underneath gwb.

Unless you want biden to act like a dictator, there isnt much he can do considering the state of the senate/house.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Yes - the Republicans instituted the bad thing, the Democrats perpetuated it. Obama had the White House , House , and Senate and didn't close Gitmo as promised.

I'm in favour of Biden acting like a dictator if it's to do things like restore the rule of law, stop torture, and right wrongs like separating kids from their families for their entire childhood. The kinds of consequences that make dictatorships bad. What's the value of proceduralism if it not just fails to correct, but actively delivers those outcomes?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Obama had the White House , House , and Senate and didn’t close Gitmo as promised.

Did you follow the situation? Gitmo wasn't closed because there was nowhere to transfer the prisoners. It was attempted, numerous times. There were legal battles over this.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The irony.

Would you mind giving a quick explanation of your understanding the rule of law and its relevance to the constitution and US legal system?

Bonus points for extending this explanation to the 5th-8th amendment (particularly 6 and 8).

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Not to defend them too much and I have to admit that I don't know much about the details which bills were priorities during the 4 months that Obama has house, senate and Presidency.

What I did read a while back was that Obama didn't know how long his supermajority would last and some of the things he wanted he wanted done but couldn't once he lost the house.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago (13 children)

I'd say the shining city on the hill should have made restoring the rule of law a higher priority, but that's just my opinion.

It seems the GOP can make things plenty worse in a hell of a hurry, but when it comes to righting the wrongs, it's all too hard. The Democrat inclination toward civility politics and the status quo over basics like protecting the rule of law and the democracy will be the death of us.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Neither party has made any effort to eliminate the unconstitutional Patriot Act either, instead, actually ramping it up.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago

Yep - there's no shortage of examples - this is why I point to it as the unfortunate norm.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago

Ladies and gentlemen: the pro life party,.

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