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Supreme Court Justice John Roberts has been left "shaken" by the unexpected public reaction to his ruling in the Donald Trumppresidential immunity case, a columnist wrote Friday.

Slate's judicial writer Dahlia Lithwick wrote that Roberts was left shocked that Americans didn't buy his attempt to persuade them that his ruling was not about Trump, but instead focused on the office of the presidency. The court ruled that a president was largely immune from criminal prosecution for official actions.

Lithwick referenced a report by CNN's Joan Biskupic. He “was shaken by the adverse public reaction to his decision affording [Donald] Trump substantial immunity from criminal prosecution," she wrote.

"His protestations that the case concerned the presidency, not Trump, held little currency.”

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

He doesn’t fear enough.

Assuming I believe anything he says in the first place. We are so divided that he won’t see consequences.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Tbh I’m low-key waiting for someone to try taking a shot at one or more members of the Tribunal of Six. They’re so obviously standing in the way of progress in so many ways. They’re only appointed for life, after all. Someone’s going to take advantage of the darker side of that statement at some point. Roberts and his ilk should be scared.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

It's honestly wild that two people have tried to take a shot at Trump first. Trump's just a useful idiot to these fuckers, the real assholes that are destroying our country are the ones on the Supreme Court.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Maybe this columnist thinks he's "shaken", but I doubt it. The reason he acted in a more moderate way before was that the Christian Nationalist justices didn't have a strong majority and the ability to impose their agenda with impunity. The minute they had a 6-3 majority, he knew they could do whatever they wanted, and they have.

The only thing we can do about it now is elect as many Dems as possible to the House and Senate and pressure them to impose term limits and expand the Court, things that should have been done a long time ago.

And please, regardless of whether you think your vote for POTUS will count, vote anyway and fill out your full ballot because you have much more influence on your State legislature and local offices, which is where so many things that affect your life are decided.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Every single time the SC does something outrageous some version of this article comes out proclaiming his deep held belief in justice and whatever else. And every time it is complete bullshit.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

It's like some journalists fucking fanfic desperately wishing that these people's consciouses are eating them up inside. Meanwhile they go home to their mansions and continue to happily live their comfortable lives. It's not even that they know they won't face consequences for their actions (which they won't), it's that they think they have done nothing wrong at all. They believe themselves to be morally in the right.

"Shaken"? Don't kid yourself. He's as content and happy as a pig in shit.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Term limits are defined by the Constitution and require an Amendment. See the 22nd:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

We are currently too divided to pass any Amendment right now.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

pressure them to impose term limits and expand the Court

No amount of voting will implement this pressure. This has been the chronic problem: electoral victories don't translate into pressure for any given policy.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Who said electoral victories translate into pressure for a given policy? Voting them into office gets them to where they have power and can then be pressured to wield it for our benefit, which is a different type of political action than an election. Voting in elections is how you try to get people who are closest to the values you're looking for into office--and the primaries are as important as the general for that.

Organizing around an issue, speaking out with meetings, in the media, with protests, etc., calling attention and building up support for a cause--all those things exert pressure on elected officials. Read about movements in American history -- the civil rights movement, women's liberation, etc. and BTW you want to know a movement that was very effective? The fucking Tea Party movement, which led to the maga takeover of the republican party.

For some reason (lack of proper civics education in schools is part of the problem), people have this simplistic idea that all they have to do is go vote for a president every four years, get pissed that they don't like the choices, and assume that the POTUS is supposed to somehow magically fix everything, not understanding the other branches of government involved, and when it doesn't happen fast enough or at all, they get pissed and either vote for someone else or give up and don't vote or fall for a populist conman or get violent or whatever. That's not how it works!

No wonder we're where we are today. I'm sick of even talking about it any more. If people refuse to educate themselves about how our system of government is supposed to work and act accordingly then it's over, and we as a country deserve to fall into the fascism brought to us by the people who did make the effort to figure out how to achieve their agenda and went out and did it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

I guess what I mean is uncritical votes for Democrats across the House and Senate doesn't guarantee any pressure. Shit that is probably the most viable arena for third party candidates or at least candidates caucusing on a specific policy issue that people get behind, especially during primaries for each and every cycle.

Maybe I'm just being salty because my entire downballot this year is all Democrats running on working with Republicans and Republicans running on working against the Democrats.

One democrat in my old district is literally running on opposing Biden and helping Republicans with the southern border. My state borders Canada.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (14 children)

Unexpected? How the fuck is backlash about a ruling saying the President is above the law unexpected?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

This is a complete sanewashing article... Roberts read all the dissents, he knew exactly what he was doing. Putting Trump above the law.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

Exactly. How can he claim to be shocked when the dissent told him why he's a monster? Dude is a liar.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I really want someone to press one of these people on camera.

"Donald Trump has promised at multiple rallies to end the democratic process by eliminating the need to vote, and this is extremely dangerous to our democracy, therefore it is an official act of the office e of the president to order a hit on DJT, Seal teams 3 and 5 are en-route now. Such an act is official, and necessary for the country to survive therefore Joe Biden is completely immune from any prosecution."

I just want to know for sure what the reaction would be. I'm sure pearl clutching indignation (because someone thought of their idea but flipped the victims around)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It's really a situation that ought to resolve itself. If the justices vote anything as an official act is perfectly legal, then threaten those justices that voted that way with violence, assassination, nothing is off the table apparently as long as it's an official act, and reverse that decision with the remaining justices, done and dusted.

I really don't see the problem here. It's all been declared perfectly legal, nothing is off the table, it sends a strong message that this democracy will be maintained by whatever means necessary, and that as long as the president is Democrat at least, then any attempt at an all powerful king or Führer will automatically undo itself. An abrogation of power done through wielding that very power itself would be a beautiful thing to behold.

In fact, the Supreme Court justices would make a better target than Trump himself even. Trump is a political rival and it could be argued that it's Biden supporting the election of a candidate from his own party. Meanwhile targetting the Supreme Court justices would be defending basic democracy, fighting for the freedom from a despotic tyrant - the very supposed foundation of the country we're talking about, changing the composition of the Supreme Court and weakening the powers of the presidency itself, which definitely sounds like official acts rather than those of a candidate or private individual.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

About the only silver lining to Trump's inevitable re-attempt to steal the election is that he won't be President during the election. If he wins he won't make the same mistake of appointing people with even a shred of ethics. He'll rig it to give himself a 3rd term or be kingmaker for the next gen of American dictators.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

He should be. There is no way that the constitution had immunity in mind for the president.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

The fact that the Supreme Court gave themselves the ability to effectively unilaterally write federal laws with Marbury v Madison was already massively overstepping bounds and the concept of checks and balances.

We need to overturn Marbury v Madison.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (2 children)

He's an out of touch rich asshole. I'm less surprised at his shock than I am surprised by him giving a fuck.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

He wasn't shocked and he doesn't give a f***. The article is just an attempt for him to garner sympathy.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

You actually believe the headline?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Bullshit.

If he didn't expect it then he's a moron.

He is not a moron.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

Either stupid or lying... possibly both but definitely at least one or the other.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

I don’t know, money and position in a stratified social power structure are not strong indicators of intelligence

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

well la de da. fuck him.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

Can't a man undermine democracy in peace now?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

Fuck him. Burn in hell fuck face.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

Lithwick pointed to legal reporter Linda Greenhouse, who asked on Slate's podcast how Roberts could "have been so clueless about where this opinion was going to leave a court that has already been really battered in public opinion ever since the run-up to Dobbs?… What this says to me is that he and other members of his majority live in a kind of bubble.”

He may have been able to persuade himself that he was doing something positive. Alito and Thomas don't live in a bubble. They are very consciously forcing their dogma on the rest of us with no sense of guilt or shame.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

Roberts was left shocked that Americans didn’t buy his attempt to persuade them that his ruling was not about Trump, but instead focused on the office of the presidency. The court ruled that a president was largely immune from criminal prosecution for official actions.

AND WHICH FUCKING PRESIDENT'S ACTIONS ARE WE TALKING ABOUT HERE, JOHN?

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

Boo boo, fucking cry baby. Corrupt SCOTUS is too insulated from their terrible decisions.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (5 children)

He’s not serious. Roberts is an arch conservative and has been for a long time. This is posturing to try and paint himself as a moderate, like he has been doing since before he was appointed to the bench. Fuck him.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

"You mean my radical and insane interpretations of the law are insane and radical?".

Yeah, he fucking knows and is a piece of shit like the rest of these disingenuous monsters

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

He’s just not as confident in the shoot-the-moon approach that the rest of the fascists are using to try and take/keep power.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

How could he possibly have been surprised by the response? They are with 9 judges. Three vehemently disagreed with the ruling and even Barret partially disagreed. It’s not like he was looking for some compromise ruling that all judges signed onto. Pathetic reporting.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

This is why The French invented things.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

Why is there a presumption of immunity? Even when there is clear self-serving corruption, the presumption of immunity takes precedence. This will go down in history as an abysmally bad decision.

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