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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (7 children)

Trump absolutely obliterated profits from manufacturing with the steel tariffs. That's the whole reason that I'm struggling really hard right now. It forced me to order even lower quality steel because as the buyer, you're the one paying the markups. It isn't the affected country. This forced me to really put my limited metallurgical knowledge to the test because I had to ship critical components that wouldn't fail to the best of my ability. I had to adjust everything from tool paths to cutting times because they both affect the integrity of the material. I already had to charge way more for the parts I make because I'm not in India or China making $2/hr. I really hate to say it, but American made steel is just too expensive and I can get it from Japan for maybe 3/4 the price. China is even cheaper with nearly the same quality. And, no, I don't order it directly shipped. There are distributors.

I've been screaming at colleagues for years now that Trump has absolutely no clue about real world manufacturing or how it works. He wants to destroy NAFTA, which would absolutely destroy the supply chain I rely on for non-metallic (mostly glass-filled plastics) materials. I make a fair amount of G-10 and G-11 fiberglass parts for nuclear power - from GE, to Hitachi, WestingHouse, to (oddly) Mitsubishi. Want to talk about how nuclear is expensive already? Yeah, go ahead and erase NAFTA. It would go from improbable and financially impractical to absolutely impossible. Get an order from some local business to make some parts? You have to charge at least an estimate of $70/hour just for labor and machine time. With the tariffs, I've had to bump that to about $90/hour.

However, because the costs for me have gone up so much I've had to go from making money to paying to live. I have the skill, equipment, and knowledge to run a machine shop by myself. That orange fuck set it up that if I didn't already have well-established long term contracts, I'd be in a ditch after selling my dog for a month's worth of food. Trump knowing manufacturing, or how it impacts the manufacturers? Get the fuck out.

Sincerely, A trans woman that has been in manufacturing her whole life.

Source: Being a 20+ year career machinist.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Those tariffs did exactly what they were supposed to do. Push smaller competitors out of the market and allow price increases from the bigger companies. Even with those tariffs the price from China was still much cheaper, all he did was ramp up inflation. Literally no one won.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

The whole manufacturing sector is suffering. I don't see how any blue collar worker in any state can't recognize that. People just wanted deer season open so they could forget for a couple of months.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

Same thing for the meat processing/packing laws in Denver, meant specifically to drive out a small bit very high quality farm in favor of a massive industrial one. It doesn't lower prices or increase quality (raises prices and lowers quality overall), it's just meant to drive out the competition.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I wonder how much this whole cost of living crisis is due to the Trump tariffs vs how much was due to COVID? COVID seems to have provided a convenient cover that distracted the world and probably exacerbated the issue, but I wonder had COVID not happened would it have been more apparent how bad the Trump tariffs were for the economy? To my knowledge though, I don’t know that those tariffs ever really went away.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

The thing about economic policies is that it takes longer than 4 years for the effects to really be felt. Every time you hear some campaign ad about how bad the economy is, it is almost guaranteed to be fall out from the previous administration. That isn't even taking into account that presidents tend to have very little actual sway over budgets and spending. Every year, the president submits a budget, and every year congress shuts it down. This cycle has happened for 200 years.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Mitsubishi isn't that odd. Mitsubishi electric is building power plants.

https://power.mhi.com/regions/emea/

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

Yeah, if you are in the space it isn't weird. But for most, it would seem odd.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

I'm legitimately unsure if anyone voting for him actually understand how Tariffs work

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

It seems the real problem with tariffs is the rapidity of them. If the US wants to encourage more manufacturing at home, fine. But as you note, just applying them suddenly is ruinous. I would think a much better approach would be that any new tariff must be slowly ramped up over a decade. Or maybe a hard rule that any individual tariff can't change by more than 2 percentage points a year. This way tariffs could still be a policy tool that can be raised and lowered based on national interest, but they would change slowly enough that industry could actually adapt.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

If the US wants to encourage more manufacturing at home, fine.

I disagree mainly because I want a Hilux and can't get one because of the Chicken Tax

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

This is what I really don't get.

Like, sure, Trump's tax plan looks better for the middle class at the surface level....but that's just talking about income tax. Tariffs are taxes, too, and his tariff plan will mean significantly more dollars spent on taxes for the middle class. The net paycheck will be a little higher, but the cost increases will eat that up and much, much more.

And that's just one avenue. I'd shutter to think what will happen to the overall value of the dollar, the growing wealth disparity, the real estate market (it's nearly impossible for first time buyers as it is, but rent is exorbitant too, and a lot of it is because of sweet deals for mega landlords like Trump himself) and the costs of healthcare under Trump's "plans"

Fuck dude....my family makes 3x the local household median and we still can't save money for shit. It goes nearly as fast as it comes. We live in a modest house, we've got one (used) car payment, and fortunately no credit card debt. We buy used clothes and store-brand food. Don't go out to eat or takeout. But its still tough as hell.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

A couple of off-post-topic question: I'm at below-novice level in machining (learning on an old, manual Bridgeport mill at my makerspace). Can you recommend any simple but functional projects for practicing skills on a mill and learning behaviors is different materials?

Also, I'm intending to machine a replacement for my electric guitar's bridge since the stock one is both out of spec, making it impossible to find an aftermarket replacement, and it's made of chrome-coated pot-metal, making it kinda ugly and musically poor. Do you have any suggestions for alloys that are interesting, decently machinable, and non-leaded?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

These "are you a bot" tests are getting real tricky.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Give ‘em a break.

Manufacturing stuff is hard, alright? You have to get off the couch and stuff

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

get off the couch

You think Vance is worried about getting anyone other than himself off?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

"It's not gay if it's a la-Z-boy."

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (8 children)

A politician who tells it like it is? A guy you could, God forbid, have a beer with? A veteran even, but with working class cred and a love of video games. A total unknown on the national level, but beloved by his constituents... You couldn't order a more perfect veep off a menu. It's almost surreal

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

What's even better is that this is really him. Not a character, not adapting to the political race.

Minnesotans are sad to lose him as governor, but he'll be great as VP and definitely qualified to step in if something happened to Harris.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

If it helps save democracy, its a sacrifice we're willing to wait. Our bisexual, indigenous lieutenant governor will be fine as his replacement.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

I wanna have a beer with Walsh and share a joint with Sanders.

Or maybe visa versa. Idk either way sounds like a good time

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

I hope tourte right.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Wait. He plays videogames?! I'm gonna pokemon-go to the polls next month!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

Couldn't you have just fucking killed me instead

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

He did a WoW stream recently that blew up in the news

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

Apparently it was another streamer playing WoW with half the stream as a campaign speech, but broadcast on Kamala’s Twitch channel. Still cool, but it wasn’t him playing.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

You couldn’t order a more perfect veep off a menu.

“the expansion of Israel and its proxies is an absolute, fundamental necessity for the United States to have the steady leadership there”

The average person you meet down the street has less thirst for blood and would make a better politician.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Citation needed.

But let's humor your point. That is pretty awful, but what the fuck is the alternative? Voting Trump/Vance who will let Israel dial their genocide up to 11; shit they will probably actively encourage it, if there is votes/power or money in it for them.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

I barely have the energy to deal with such objections anymore. You're spot on, and it's unsatisfying, but when you're faced with playing a rigged game or losing everything, the best you can do is ante up and plan your escape.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

JD Vance has never been in a factory job, or in anything other then his couch

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I’m not even sure you can technically say he was “in” a couch.

#tinydickproblems

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

Spread the news, JD "couch fucker" Vance has a microdick

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

That's not true, his job was shutting down factories.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

And people start to see why he consistently won positions in Minnesota!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (4 children)

And walz knows about manufacturing from all the manufacturing consent he and the dems do!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Exactly, this entire thread reads like bot-made comments sponsored by a DNC "social media center".

He's my favorite politician! He's so relatable! I could have a beer with him! As a trans metal worker, here's why Trump is responsible for my bills going up...

It's sad because I really thought this place was going to be real. But nothing can escape the record-correcters apparently.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

Nobody can escape having to share the planet with right-wing dumbass fuckwits either, but here we are.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

Great job bashing the dems while contributing nothing of substance to the conversation. Do you have any points concerning Trump's or Harris' manufacturing policies? Also, per your last point, please tell me how that commenters grievances are illegitimate. Is it because they're trans?

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

He has just as much expertise as trump does, which is basically nothing.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I'm, unfortunately, reminded me of this bit from the original Hitch-Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy radio series (which preceded even the books):

In today’s modern Galaxy there is, of course, very little still held to be unspeakable. Many words and expressions which only a matter of decades ago were considered so distastefully explicit that were they merely to be breathed in public, the perpetrator would be shunned, barred from polite society, and, in extreme cases, shot through the lungs, are now thought to be very healthy and proper, and their use in everyday speech is seen as evidence of a well-adjusted, relaxed, and totally unf [bleep!] ked-up personality. So, for instance, when in a recent national speech, the financial minister of the Royal World Estate of Qualvista actually dared to say that due to one thing and another, and the fact that no one had made any food for awhile and the king seemed to have died, and that most of the population had been on holiday now for over three years, the economy had now arrived at what he called, “One whole juju-flop situation,” everyone was so pleased he felt able to come out and say it, that they quite failed to notice that their five-thousand-year-old civilisation had just collapsed overnight. But though even words like “juju-flop,” “swut,” and “turlingdrome” are now perfectly acceptable in common usage, there is one word that is still beyond the pale. The concept it embodies is so revolting that the publication or broadcast of the word is utterly forbidden in all parts of the galaxy except one - where they don’t know what it means. That word is “Belgium” and it is only ever used by loose-tongued people like Zaphod Beeblebrox in situations of dire provocation. Such as…

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

Which reminds me of Boris Johnson's choice of vocabulary, somehow reducing the impact and perception of the ignorance, cruelty and incompetence of what is being said

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