I think most snap haters mostly hate, that Canonical forces snap upon them, an wouldn't hate so much about it if they had the choice.
this post was submitted on 20 Sep 2024
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Yeah, who'd hate using a package manager that increasingly slows down your boot time with every package installed, or that uses a closed source store to provide you FOSS
Maybe there's a reason canonical has to force it on their users
I also hate that it creates a loopback device for every installed snap
There's a lot I dislike about snap. This is the thing I hate.
Yeah typing "apt install firefox" and getting the Snap version does loudly and obnoxiously disqualify Ubuntu from any devices owned by me or my family.
Thanks to snap I switched to arch. It gave a linux beginner so much drive to learn the terminal and install a harder os lol. The firefox snap was the worst shit.
I never used snap, always use official repo > multilib > extra > chaotic aur > aur > flatpak > FUCK IT, I BUILD FROM SOURCE CODE FROM SHADY GITHUB REPO
FUCK IT, I BUILD FROM SOURCE CODE FROM SHADY GITHUB REPO_*
I feel seen.
curl shit | sudo bash is just so convenient.
I hope you mean https://shit.
http://mysite.net | sudo bash
Yes, always from https://gìthub.com
Of course, you will certainly not regret piping curl into bash from GitHub.com.
The safest install method \s
Thread made by canonical employee
Lol imagine a canonical employee using nixos
Now also throw GNU Guix, Homebrew and some AppImages in there
It's a shame that snaps are forced to use Canonicals closed source backend because they are really good, and a fully snap system is a very compelling idea for immutable systems
They're not forced to do so. You can install snaps locally (or provide a distribution system that treats snapd much the way apt treats dpkg), or you can point snapd at a different store. The snap store API is open and documented, and for a while there was even a separate snap store project. It seems to have died out because despite people's contention about Canonical's snap store, they didn't actually actually want to run their own snap stores.
I don't know why you're getting downvoted. It makes perfect sense that Cannonical made it's own proprietary package ecosystem and while technically anyone can build their own snap store, ain't nobody got time for that.
I don't agree that it made any sense to do that. If they wanted to containerize apps, there has been an open source solution to that for years; Flatpak.
ain't nobody got time for that
As an app maintainer, that wants to support Ubuntu, why would I prefer to deploy a snap server, instead of publishing deb files, or creating a Flatpak?
It's Cannonical. They prefer implementing everything themselves fast, rather than developing a more sustainable project with the rest of the community over a longer timescale. It makes sense that when they do that, there will be very little buy-in from the wider community. Much like Unity and Mir.
As you say - why would others put time into the less supported system? Better alternatives exist. If Canonical want their own software ecosystem, they'll have to maintain it themselves. Which, based on Mir and Ubuntu Touch, they don't have a good track record of.
Can you explain why it makes perfect sense?
It's Cannonical. They prefer implementing everything themselves fast, rather than developing a more sustainable project with the rest of the community over a longer timescale. When they do that, there will be very little buy-in from the wider community.
Others could technically implement another snap store for their own distro, but they'd have to build a lot of the backend that Cannonical didn't release. It's easier to use Flatpak or AppImage or whatever rather than hitch themselves onto Cannonicals's homegrown solution that might get abandoned down the line like Mir or Ubuntu Touch.
snap bad indeed
I have NODE installed using snap lmao. Why? Installing it the normal way just gives me tons of errors that I'm too bored to deal with. I'm sure there's a fix, but I'm too lazy to debug all that. Of course, I don't use snap node for hosting servers and stuff. I just use it for react native. Regardless, it works n I'm happy lol
Yeah. I don't mind snap at all for cases where a better package doesn't exist.
What made me give up Ubuntu was how it railroaded me into snap versions of packages that work better, for me, as native .deb installs.
Oh definitely. Canonical forcing us to use snap Firefox was very shitty. I mean I still use Ubuntu because I'm lazy, but I did change the snap Firefox thing to the apt libraries or whatever.
I really don't understand why they don't just adopt flatpak.
I don't believe Flatpak has the ability to package something like node. It certainly can't package kernels or system services (at least not without leaving the user with a ton of manual work to do that would make it not much better than getting a tarball).
I use nix like the AUR for debian.