Welcome to the News community!
Rules:
1. Be civil
Attack the argument, not the person. No racism/sexism/bigotry. Good faith argumentation only. This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
2. All posts should contain a source (url) that is as reliable and unbiased as possible and must only contain one link.
Obvious right or left wing sources will be removed at the mods discretion. We have an actively updated blocklist, which you can see here: https://lemmy.world/post/2246130 if you feel like any website is missing, contact the mods. Supporting links can be added in comments or posted seperately but not to the post body.
3. No bots, spam or self-promotion.
Only approved bots, which follow the guidelines for bots set by the instance, are allowed.
4. Post titles should be the same as the article used as source.
Posts which titles don’t match the source won’t be removed, but the autoMod will notify you, and if your title misrepresents the original article, the post will be deleted. If the site changed their headline, the bot might still contact you, just ignore it, we won’t delete your post.
5. Only recent news is allowed.
Posts must be news from the most recent 30 days.
6. All posts must be news articles.
No opinion pieces, Listicles, editorials or celebrity gossip is allowed. All posts will be judged on a case-by-case basis.
7. No duplicate posts.
If a source you used was already posted by someone else, the autoMod will leave a message. Please remove your post if the autoMod is correct. If the post that matches your post is very old, we refer you to rule 5.
8. Misinformation is prohibited.
Misinformation / propaganda is strictly prohibited. Any comment or post containing or linking to misinformation will be removed. If you feel that your post has been removed in error, credible sources must be provided.
9. No link shorteners.
The auto mod will contact you if a link shortener is detected, please delete your post if they are right.
10. Don't copy entire article in your post body
For copyright reasons, you are not allowed to copy an entire article into your post body. This is an instance wide rule, that is strictly enforced in this community.
"oh shit my gun just went off"
fucking hilarious how effortless it is for them to alternate between "guns don't kill people" and "oh shit it wasn't me--the gun did it!!!"
but seriously-- if you live anywhere near bumfuck tumptown hickville, for fucks sake tell your kids not to go up on anyone's property. i live in one of these areas, and the government couldn't hire anyone to go door to door doing census count for that one reason. they. will. fucking. kill you
When i was young, the US were famous for how friendly the people were and that you could just knock on any door and they'd help you. The "conservatives" have really done a number on you guys.
I mean, that was only ever true if you were a very specific hue on the color spectrum.
But also ~~like~~ marry women, and go to church with the other smiling people.
It seems like that's more of a way for him to avoid responsibility for it than anything else.
South Park called it in its first fucking season.
Nothing they say is in good faith, ever. It's all about exploiting the situation.
The teen is recovering.
In case you were wondering
Guy released from jail for $5000, after shooting teen in face for trespassing. Let that sink in.
Jumping right out of the truck immediately laying down covering fire regardless of the situation?
Yep. That's a republican.
Yea… let me tell you about how shocked I was to read that the shooter was driving a truck.
Brent Metz is accused of shooting a 17-year-old in the face after the teenager trespassed on a property to find a homeowner and inquire about taking homecoming photos there. (Jackson County Sheriffs Office)
Trespassing? So walking to someones door looking for the owner of the house is now Trespassing? Wtf
Not a lawyer. By the letter of the law, yes.
They had to jump the fence - presumably the gate was secured - in order to get to the house. Further, they walked around the property looking for the owner. This looks to anyone without more knowledge, very much like trespassing.
Just my 2 cents, I'm not trying to defend or accuse anyone.
It doesn't look like trespassing, it was trespassing, and particularly suspicious at that. If he'd shot him after they hopped the fence it'd be one thing, but that's not what happened. He shot the kid after they'd gotten back in the car and left the property.
Oh s---, my gun just went off
Weird, I'd been told they don't do that.
What are the odds that the teen is darker than a peach color?
I’m betting he fired without even looking then realized what he had done.
This is the inevitable outcome of the combination of the proliferation of guns in the US + the over-the-top fearmongering of certain high-profile personalities (specifically on the right). It was never going to end any other way.
Scare people into thinking everyone is out to get them and tell them they have to arm themselves, and you get tragedies like this: the guy that shot a teenaged girl through his front door when she was looking for help. This kid shot in the face looking for a place to take pictures.
People like Tucker Carlson and all similar scaremongers (too many to name) are partly to blame for this. I’m old enough to remember the red scare, where average people thought communists were hiding in every suburban neighbourhood, and also the satanic panic – this is all that but on steroids.
Everyone isn’t out to get you. They never were. But people are becoming millionaires by riling people into killing each other *for no reason *, and unlike back then, now everyone is armed and convinced to shoot first like every place is the fucking OK Corral.
e: and to add a layer of irony, yes, Wild West high-noon shootouts are the same kind of myth-sayings as boiling frogs – pretty much all old west towns required you to surrender your guns to the sheriff on entry. Things were actually safer back then.
As someone who grew up near those wild west towns and have a lot of roots out here, yeah it's a myth, most people I knew growing up didn't even hunt, and most hunters I knew owned two guns tops and it WASN'T their personality, inviting you over to eat venison was their personality.
We need to admit that some of the people fanatical about guns... really want to kill someone with one.
It wasn’t even his house; it was his girlfriend’s. She thought they were trespassers, she called him for help (she also called the sheriff) and he showed up pointing a gun.
They also were in their car outside the gate to the property. TECHNICALLY that gate may be inside the property line, but that's still totally egregious.
I was going to say that "stand your ground" laws shouldn't exist when so many people are terrified of shadows.
But that's it isn't it? If they're terrified of shadows then a gun and a power fantasy is the answer.
This isn't even stand your ground or castle doctrine or anything. The homeowner wasn't even home and they were outside the front gate when shot. That's the craziest part to me, absolutely no one was in danger until the dude showed up.
By the same government encouraging their armament. "Give them guns" and also "they're coming for YOU so be afraid!"
When thinking you are the good guy with a gun goes wrong....
That teen is lucky to have survived. Getting shot in the face is incredibly lethal.
This is why stand your ground laws can't realistically exist in places that aren't sparsely populated. Because someone will read "defend your property and life with force if necessary" as "act as a raging lunatic and attempt to shoot anyone who comes at the door because it's legal to do so if you claim you were defending your property, even though there was no indication of actual imminent danger to property or people".
In my country we don't have stand your ground laws. You can only defend yourself in case of an attack, but not drive away a thief. You're supposed to run and call the police, but I keep wondering if a legal framework like the US where you weren't legally punished for attacking a thief in your house wouldn't be fairer but then there's news like this.
This has absolutely nothing to do with "Stand Your Ground". SYG only applies when you or someone else are in real and imminent danger of serious bodily harm or death, neither of which were true in this case. That's why the guy was arrested and has been charged with a number of serious offenses. He's going to end up in prison.
Since you aren't from the United States I should also tell you that SYG isn't a National thing, its only legal in the States in that have passed laws allowing it.
I keep wondering if a legal framework like the US where you weren’t legally punished by attacking a thief in your house wouldn’t be fairer but then there’s news like this.
That's called "Castle Doctrine" and like SYG it isn't National. It only exists in the States that have passed a law to allow it.
It CAN work but there's at least a few States that have Castle Doctrine and a Duty to Retreat so you end up having to flee a home invader until or unless you have no other choice.
You are acting as if it were actually complicated. Requiring no duty to retreat makes perfect sense in your own home. The law most sane places says you have to be in a situation where a reasonable person would be in fear for life or bodily injury.
Note "reasonable person" is a common legal standard. A reasonable person doesn't think someone outside is automatically a threat. People who shiit then ask questions go to jail.
Well, there ya go. All the proof you need that there’s clearly no gun problem in America.
/s
EDIT: I’d love for the cowards downvoting this to step up and be heard. Come on, speak your mind.
So I'm reading idiot who can't read a situation and who is super scared, also has shit trigger discipline and as a result a kid was injured and possibly damaged for life... we really need to at the very least make training a requirement, even just a written exam would help...
we really need to at the very least make training a requirement, even just a written exam would help…
Cue gun nuts, "...shall not be infringed!"
Cue anyone sane: "Well-regulated."
You can’t train out the stupid.
I’ve taken regular gun safety classes. They’re less stringent than a driver’s ed class. It’s like taking the driver safety class after you’ve gotten a ticket. Yeah, yeah…let’s just get through this shit so I can get back to whatever.
This crazy fuck was on the city council?
Have you seen the kind of people who much of the US likes to elect?
Oh shit, my gun just went off
I'm not sure what he was expecting the gun to do. You never point at anything or anyone you don't intend to destroy. Treat every gun as if it has a hair-trigger.
If I can't Shoot a Teenager in the Face you're INFRINGING ON MY SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS! Now let me Save The Children!
Reminder that guns don't just "go off" and anyone that suggests this should be disregarded as the nincompoop they very clearly are.
Confiscate the fucking town councilman's guns, prosecute the dumbass for attempted murder and hopefully the teen will sue the living shit out of him.