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[–] [email protected] 401 points 2 months ago (1 children)

That seems like a significant security risk

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[–] [email protected] 196 points 2 months ago (2 children)

And I'm sure whoever put it there faced way more harsher penalties than a certain someone who willfully hid highly classified documents in his bathroom for months and lied about it to investigators.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 months ago

Just like a certain someone who had classified documents that they weren't even supposed to have without a handler!

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[–] Deebster 167 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

The source story is worth a read.

Marrero’s background is in Navy intelligence, and she earned a master’s degree in business administration with a concentration in information security and digital management

Incredible.

she soon changed the “STINKY” Wi-Fi network name to another moniker that looked like a wireless printer — even though no such general-use wireless printers were present on the ship

Why not just switch off broadcasting the SSID?

[The CO and XO] then conducted another sweep inside the ship. Although the network that appeared to be a wireless printer appeared on their personal devices during their search, neither made additional inquiries regarding that network

No-one's coming out of this looking good.

Marrero’s secret Starlink dish was removed the same day, and Marrero told another unidentified crew member the next day that it was authorized for in-port use — prompting sailors to re-install the illegal Starlink.

It just keeps going!

[–] [email protected] 52 points 2 months ago (1 children)

To be fair, if the lead NCO of a unit is just going to flat out lie then a lot of people are going to believe it. I can't imagine being a lower NCO or enlisted and thinking command actually authorized the chiefs to break operational security for entertainment, but only them. Every chief in that crew should be busted and flagged against promotion again. The investigation was completely right to say if they didn't know, they should have.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I may have missed it in this article, though I believe I read elsewhere, that she got busted down one rank and that's it. I know military in general is having retention and recruitment issues, but to me this is more than just a busting down offense. That the senior enlisted on a ship would so nonchalantly disregard OPSEC demonstrates either a clear lack of understanding, or worse, something more nefarious.

We saw a naval officer relieved of command for having the scope backwards on his rifle. This, to me, rises to a much higher level.

[–] [email protected] 99 points 2 months ago (3 children)

We saw a naval officer relieved of command for having the scope backwards on his rifle.

Well in that case, it was just a matter of bad optics.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Didn't spot that one coming

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago

Take my upvote and get out of my sight.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago

The door is over there, good day Sir.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 months ago

There's a lot of punishment that doesn't show up in the top line in the military. She may be flagged to lose her security clearance, (dishonesty, incompetence, and corruption) which would be the end of her career. They may also outright flag her as not eligible for re-enlistment. She's certainly not ever going to live that down and it's not a counseling form that disappears in six months. I'd be very surprised if she ever promotes again.

All that said, where I was, in the infantry, lying to your commander like that, while endangering the unit, would be either an Other Than Honorable discharge or a Big Chicken Dinner. (Bad Conduct discharge, do not pass go, do not bother with the VA, do not collect retirement, hope future employers never ask about your discharge)

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 months ago (7 children)

First thought I had after read through, how much did that masters cost and you didn't learn that you can turn off the broadcast name so only people who know it's there can connect? Probably not even a real degree, freakonomjcs did an episode maybe 10 years ago that said probably 5% of degrees are fake, bet it's 20% now, lying is culturally through the roof.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

MBAs should be renamed Master's in Bullshit Administration.

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[–] [email protected] 143 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (4 children)

What's better is that, thanks to Elon Musk, "STINKY" is the default name for its Starlink wifi. These people didn't even change that.

https://futurism.com/the-byte/elon-musk-starlink-wifi-stinky

[–] [email protected] 42 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Don’t worry! I’m sure the default username and password didn’t get changed either.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

He’s so weird~~ly childish~~.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Can't speak to starlink specifically, but I know some shittier router brands would often reset to factory defaults every time you updated the firmware. Can easily see starlink doing that with a pushed firmware with the expectation some additional cell phone app would restore the correct settings.

So they very well might have turned off broadcasting but it got popped back on while they were on shift and it was detected.

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[–] [email protected] 108 points 2 months ago (1 children)

To make matters even worse...

The chiefs found that the Wi-Fi signal coming off the Starlink satellite transceiver couldn't cover the entire ship, so during a stop in Pearl Harbor, they bought "signal repeaters and cable" to extend coverage.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 months ago

This many chiefs (not rank-and-file, chiefs), putting this much effort into breaking Navy protocol, together, is crazy. And for what? Memes?

I know deployment at sea can be boring but Jesus fucking Christ, read a damn book or something.

[–] [email protected] 86 points 2 months ago (6 children)

Dude isn't American. More money than a sovereign nation. Space level ballistic capabilities. Openly aligned with our enemies and their values.

How the fuck does he have a penny of my federal fucking tax dollars? We're funding fucking terrorists that don't even need the subsidies.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 months ago (2 children)

What dude are you referring to? I'm confused how your comment relates to the article.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 months ago (6 children)

Lemmy, where you get downvoted for being confused and asking for clarification. Good job everyone.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (4 children)

It's baffling how people on Lemmy hate Musk so much and yet can't stop mentioning him in every random, unrelated thread.

The starlink was privately bought as per the article, it wasn't officially procured using federal funds. So the comment I responded to doesn't really make any sense in the context of this post.

But it gets 50 upvotes because Musk is very bad man. I guess that answers my own question about why people can't stop mentioning him on Lemmy: it's free upvotes to shit on him. That's fine I guess, but it can be annoying when it clogs up the discussion in unrelated threads.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I mean, u know that SpaceXs main income is flying shit around for NASA? If that was unexpected for you, I have bad news.

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[–] [email protected] 86 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Here’s the meat and potatoes of the article.

In 2023, they decided that the best way to deal with the problem was to secretly bolt a Starlink terminal to the "O-5 level weatherdeck" of a US warship.

They called the resulting Wi-Fi network "STINKY"—and when officers on the ship heard rumors and began asking questions, the leader of the scheme brazenly lied about it. Then, when exposed, she went so far as to make up fake Starlink usage reports suggesting that the system had only been accessed while in port, where cybersecurity and espionage concerns were lower.

Rather unsurprisingly, the story ends badly, with a full-on Navy investigation and court-martial.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 months ago (1 children)

when officers on the ship heard rumors

Lol not only is this an incredible violation of security, they couldn't even keep their fucking mouths shut about it.

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[–] [email protected] 70 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Sailors on the ship then began finding the STINKY network and asking questions about it.

Oh, c’mon. it is trivial to make an SSID “hidden” for any networking tech that you have administrative control over. That way, only those “in the know” will know the SSID name to type in, in order to access said wireless network. It would not be “discoverable” by standard wireless-connectivity gear such as the default wifi interface in mobile phones.

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[–] [email protected] 61 points 2 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 61 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (4 children)

What really surprises me is that the ships equipment never picked up on those unauthorized signals. Hell they can pick up pavarotti in pearl harbour on their sonar. (Red oktober reference) . but they cant pick up multiple unknown signals in the 2.4 and 5 GHz band

[–] [email protected] 42 points 2 months ago (9 children)

Command Senior Chief

The person who came up with the scheme is also the most senior NCO on the ship. All the enlisted people in charge of monitoring that activity knew, they just knew not to ask questions.You would be surprised how much pull an E-8 or E-9 has in the military.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago (3 children)

That movie is not very realistic.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Are you telling me that some things do react well to bullets?

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago (3 children)

You're telling me that Sean Connery isn't Russian? He was so convincing in the role.

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Between Trump stealing national security secrets and shit like this, it's honestly shocking the USA hasn't already become a full-fledged fascist hell-hole. It's currently only half-fledged.

But seriously, it must be fucking child's play for other nations to spy on us with dumb fucking shit like this happening.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 months ago

Hey, give us a chance. We have another election right around the corner and things are really looking good for a solid commitment to fully flegged hell-holism.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago

The weakest link is always the lowest common denominator. I'm pretty sure that the other armies around the world have their fair share of idiots too.

[–] 0x0 10 points 2 months ago

Ya mean like ppl using classified information in World of Tanks forums to prove a point... more than once?

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 months ago (1 children)

i was wondering why would you choose such a stupid WiFi access point name, then I read that it was Elon musk that decided that the default starlink AP name has to be that stupid so people would change it

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 months ago (2 children)

The fact that they didn't even try to hide their ssid (or at least, the report doesn't say they did) shows how stupid people can be with cybersecurity.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 months ago

Apparently "STINKY" is the default StarLink SSID (Another Musk joke), so yeah...

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 months ago

can we just fucking all take a break for a month? just have things go to being boring?

I attended a fucking ethics of ai talk at my work, only to run into a fucking knockoff nazi complaining about the founding fathers images being generated with black people, and talking about how silicon valley is too left wing.

either you're so stupid that you don't understand it's a fucking alt-right dog whistle, or you're a fucking nazi who gets very, very upset if you see a black person in any context. Either way, just shut the fuck up.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 months ago

Still, the ambassador had nothing on senior enlisted crew members of the littoral combat ship USS Manchester, who didn't like the Navy's restriction of onboard Internet access. In 2023, they decided that the best way to deal with the problem was to secretly bolt a Starlink terminal to the "O-5 level weatherdeck" of a US warship. They called the resulting Wi-Fi network "STINKY"—and when officers on the ship heard rumors and began asking questions, the leader of the scheme brazenly lied about it. Then, when exposed, she went so far as to make up fake Starlink usage reports suggesting that the system had only been accessed while in port, where cybersecurity and espionage concerns were lower. Rather unsurprisingly, the story ends badly, with a full-on Navy investigation and court-martial. Still, for half a year, life aboard the Manchester must have been one hell of a ride.

But wait! There's more!

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago

Some McHale's Navy shit only with actual consequences.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

If I was in a warship, I'd want TikTok too.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 months ago (4 children)

You can take your porn collection on a few USB sticks. And games. And movies. And books. And music.

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