this post was submitted on 19 Aug 2023
1056 points (96.6% liked)

Selfhosted

39435 readers
2 users here now

A place to share alternatives to popular online services that can be self-hosted without giving up privacy or locking you into a service you don't control.

Rules:

  1. Be civil: we're here to support and learn from one another. Insults won't be tolerated. Flame wars are frowned upon.

  2. No spam posting.

  3. Posts have to be centered around self-hosting. There are other communities for discussing hardware or home computing. If it's not obvious why your post topic revolves around selfhosting, please include details to make it clear.

  4. Don't duplicate the full text of your blog or github here. Just post the link for folks to click.

  5. Submission headline should match the article title (don’t cherry-pick information from the title to fit your agenda).

  6. No trolling.

Resources:

Any issues on the community? Report it using the report flag.

Questions? DM the mods!

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
 

I thought data caps for home internet were a thing of the past…

I’ve somewhat recently moved back to a very rural area of the Midwest. Small town. No stop lights. Biggest businesses other than the bars are Casey’s, Subway, and Dollar General.

And we have one ISP (not counting DSL) — Mediacom. When we first signed up, I had to go with the second service tier. But not because of speeds, but so I could have a reasonable 1 TB/mo data cap.

Lucky me, they increased the cap to 1.5 TB. 🙄

I hope that in my lifetime I can see ISPs regulated as a public utility.

top 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] [email protected] 161 points 1 year ago (7 children)

In Switzerland you get unlimited 10 Gbit/s for 50 bucks.

[–] [email protected] 102 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I hate you, congrats!

In Canada we have to give our firstborn to a telecommunication monopoly for somewhat OK internet.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago

Somewhat OK internet on the infrastructure our taxes paid for and the government handed over to Bell and Rogers, but don't worry, they'll stop all the other evil corporations from coming in and giving us cheaper internet.

load more comments (5 replies)
[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (4 children)
[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

WTF? 25gbps? Dang we really do have shitty internet in the States.

load more comments (3 replies)
[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Is it actually 10Gbit/s or just marketing? And how's the latency?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

The latency for 1Gbit/s is amazing, and i seem to get that speed. But i really don't have the hardware for more anyways.

load more comments (4 replies)
[–] [email protected] 87 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Data caps on home internet services should be illegal. They should also be much higher on mobile, but that's a whole other topic.

I have 940/940 Unlimited FTTH for $93.45(Canadian).

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (6 children)

And France gets 5Gbps for €30 per month or 8Gbps for €40 per month. I’m in the US now and really miss free.fr as my ISP

load more comments (6 replies)
load more comments (2 replies)
[–] [email protected] 79 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Home internet data caps WERE a thing of the past when Obama appointed Tom Wheeler as FCC chairman, who then pushed rulings to classify ISPs as a public utility and started enforcing net neutrality. Companies that didn't play ball started getting fined until they fell in line. Being a former executive for a major ISP, he was very familiar with the anti-competitive practices and underhanded tricks those companies had been using for years; and he used those practices against them to finally make some pro-consumer progress for internet access in the US.

Then, Trump came in and put Ajit Pai in charge of the FCC (no joke, my phone kept auto correcting his name to Shit Pie). Anyways, Shit Pie tore down those rulings and undid all those years of progress as part of the Trump administration's anti-Obama initiative. Even though it was proven time and again that what he did was directly against public opinion, and that ISPs were flooding the public commentary with bot posts(some even made by dead people); Shit Pie continued to meme about himself and drink from an obnoxiously large Reese's coffee mug while doing so. At this point, every provider of internet services has added back data caps in the US, and they have continued to increase their prices to maintain that 99.9% profit margin. They've also locked down more areas to prevent municipal broadband services from forming, and they're even pushing for legislation to prevent them from ever happening.

The current administration has done absolutely nothing. In fact, they've been so unremarkable, I have no idea who is in charge of the FCC, and I don't feel like looking it up.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago

The Biden admin tried to nominate an amazing woman, Gigi Sohn, worked for the EFF. But try to guess who opposed her?

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] Ryan 58 points 1 year ago (8 children)

In Thailand I'm getting 400Mbps upload and download with unlimited data.

It costs about 300฿/mo ≈ $8.7/mo

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago

'Murica #1!!! (In high internet prices)

load more comments (7 replies)
[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago (4 children)

USAGE ALLOWANCE?!?!

Laughs in Scandinavian

load more comments (4 replies)
[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Dude... The US is doing it wrong. SE Asia. 1Gbps symmetrical, unlimited, unrestricted. ~14US$.

load more comments (3 replies)
[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Yeah, the ISP cartels sucks. I've been stuck paying $170/mo for uncapped 1000/35mbps connection.

Thankfully, before the end of the year, a local ISP is moving into my area. They offer uncapped symmetrical gigabit, for $75/mo... I'll be saving $95/mo for BETTER service.

The longstanding ISP cartels should seriously be punished for the abuse of their market positions and failure to appropriately use government funding they've been given.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

1000/35mbps

That download/upload dichotomy should be illegal in and of itself!

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (2 replies)
[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

$40 for 2 Gbps unlimited in Singapore. Caps on home broadband are frankly nonsensical.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

I'm reading all the comments and I'm shocked... In France, with uncapped access and 1Gbps down/600Mbps up (theorical) I pay 40€/mo (30€ every six month when I call to complain that it's too expensive). And it's definitely not the cheapest provider.

That's insane !

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

1Gbps down/700Mbps up here, 35€/month (another french provider), no data caps - for 5 bucks/month more I could have 5Gbps down/1Gbps up, but... well, my home network is still using 1Gbps switches - but all the cabling was built with 10Gbps in mind.

Data caps are pure robbery. We run a non-profit ISP/hosting platform and a non-profit IXP with friends in West France, the only thing you pay (and the only thing end users should have to pay) is goddamn bandwidth.

load more comments (3 replies)
[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (21 children)

In Germany we pay lots of money for 5G data volume. For me I got 20 Gigs for about 40 bucks, this is mostly Not a thing in the rest of Europe. But data plans on landlines are really dumb.

load more comments (21 replies)
[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I was very close to closing on a house in rural midwest but I checked isp's and every one available had caps so I just stayed away.

load more comments (7 replies)
[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago

lol uncapped 500mbps fiber (actual fiber directly to your house) connection is 10-12$/month in Ukraine

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (11 children)

Looking at all you guys with your gigabit connections, meanwhile I'm in Aus and lucky to get 30 down and 15 up

load more comments (11 replies)
[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (10 children)

I live in the UK and currently have copper cable at about 60mbps for £60 per month. I thought what I had was bad because I have a friend who gets 1gbps for £30 a few miles away.

load more comments (10 replies)
[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Where I am, there was only one provider of internet for a long time, and I was paying for a plan that's more or less what you have right now. Then another company came in and laid fiber, and both companies slashed prices and now I get over double my download speed, no data cap, and something crazy like 50x the old upload speed all for like 20 dollars less a month! Before I switched to the fiber company, the first company even increased my download speeds without increasing the price! Anyone who says competition doesn't change things is crazy.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Competition is beautiful ain’t it?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Lol Germany here checking in 500/50 for 29.99

load more comments (6 replies)
[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I had uncapped 500/50Mbps for €10 but now I moved to a village and I'm stuck with 100/10Mbps for €20 :(

load more comments (7 replies)
[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (6 children)

In Brazil I pay 20 USD for 500mb. There are plans in my area that sells 1gb for 30 USD. Thay can't put data caps due to legislation, only on mobile data (which I pay 6usd for 20gb cap, 5g)

load more comments (6 replies)
[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Well, the internet companies have successfully bribed politicians to avoid competition. This is just the normal result of everyday corruption.

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

About to move to a new house, pretty much had to harass Verizon for a week to add the address to their database so I could move our service.

$70/mo for 1Gig up/down with no cap. The alternative was Xfinity.

I was not going to Xfinity.

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Shit dude, I pay €20 for synchronous 1Gb/s.

load more comments (9 replies)
[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yea while we were in alaska we were capped. we were in fairbanks as well, which isn't that rural. I lived in the high desert of california. drive 20 min from hesperia to phelan and you could probably get meth easier than consistent internet.

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

OP, check out the websites about grants ISPs are getting to put fiber in rural areas and see if your area is on the list somewhere (I would try and link you to some, but I'm on mobile and for some reason I have a hell of a time finding those sites while on mobile). You can see below what I've had to deal with for about 20 years, until my area finally got covered by one of those grants a few months ago. I am super rural - like, I am literally surrounded by nationally protected forest and nothing else; it'snot a place I thought would ever be included in those grant locations. It was, though, and I now have Gigabyte internet with no cap, with VOIP, for $74.98 a month. If I'm not using WiFi, I get an actual gig of download speed. If I'm on wifi, it's usually between 600-900MB.

Up until recently, we paid Centurylink about $150 a month for two lines into the house. Each line maxed out at 0.75MB download speed and 0.23 MB upload speed. We needed two lines to even be able to function. Almost 20 years of this, with no other options besides Hughesnet. We tried them for a little while; their equipment cost a fortune, it was about$150 a month, the speed was nearly as bad and they had a 200MB A MONTH CAP. We had to turn off images for websites in order to not go over the cap. Previous to 2004, I lived in a very rural part of NY. We had high speed internet for $69 a month, no cap. I can't remember the speed, but I remember that it took 3 minutes to download a full sized movie. 20 YEARS AGO the internet was better, and cheaper!

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Acronyms, initialisms, abbreviations, contractions, and other phrases which expand to something larger, that I've seen in this thread:

Fewer Letters More Letters
AP WiFi Access Point
DNS Domain Name Service/System
IP Internet Protocol
IoT Internet of Things for device controllers
Plex Brand of media server package
VPN Virtual Private Network

6 acronyms in this thread; the most compressed thread commented on today has 8 acronyms.

[Thread #68 for this sub, first seen 19th Aug 2023, 15:35] [FAQ] [Full list] [Contact] [Source code]

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Oh boy, you're still lucky with your data cap 🙂

Mine's ~90 Mbps down, ~35 Mbps up, 10 GB open access + 8 GB site-specific of your choice, you reload it weekly for $2.

There's also a 1 GB "Metaverse Go" bandwidth as well, I have no idea which sites are included in that because when I download updates for my Fedora laptop and download apps from Flathub, it uses that bandwidth.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Maybe you should organise a community run ISP instead?

They're quite common where I live, although I don't use one myself. I still only pay 400sek for unlimited 500/500.

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Our local fiber (1000/1000) is truly unlimited and just had a price decrease from $120 to $100. Never had an ISP do that before!

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Mediacom is the worst, data caps and low speeds for high prices, straight highway robbery. I'm lucky to have a local ISP with no data caps and a mostly reasonable price, cheaper than Mediacom at least. And soon to be fiber when they make it over to my neighborhood. They're currently in the process of running fiber to every neighborhood in my city.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

This is almost started price in Canada

load more comments (3 replies)
[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

just out of interest .. somebody here on satellite? I am interested to know the prices for sat services out there?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

1000/300 unlimited FTTH for ~20$ in hungary, however this company (digi) was killed by the government, and bought under price by a company (4ig) which is very close to the goverment, and the stateparty, and they did 2 subscription price ups, so 2 years ago it was about 10$... We have "bent capitalism" here which resembles to communism...

load more comments
view more: next ›