I keep banging on about how hiring practices need to be reformed, and stopping this shit should be the first thing on the agenda
this post was submitted on 20 Aug 2024
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Start by paying interviewees the wage of the job posted for their time interviewing and doing "tests"
These fuckers spend bajillions on HR software and HR execs, surely they can figure out how to hire quality candidates at a more efficient clip?
It may seem counterproductive for recruiters to advertise ghost jobs, theoretically wasting their own time as well as that of applicants—but there are incentives for doing so. About 38% say they post fake positions to maintain a presence on job boards when they aren’t hiring, 36% do so to assess the effectiveness of their job descriptions, 26% want to build a talent pool for the future, 26% hope gain insight into the job market and competitors, and 25% want to assess how difficult it would be to replace certain employees, according to the report. Escalera points out that a big reason for posting these jobs is recruiters wanting to improve their business’ image—nearly a quarter also say that fake jobs help their companies look as if they aren’t experiencing a hiring freeze, and one fifth say they post ghost jobs to improve the reputation of their company.
Way to validate our feelings about you, recruiters.
Edit: I'd like to see legislation that goes after "truth in advertising" in this area. This should be illegal. It wastes peoples' time.
Thanks for excerpting the main points, appreciated.
Recruiters are the equivalent of used car salesperson.
At least used car salespeople will actually sell you the car. Apparently recruiters will just lie about ever even having one.
Lol when a used car salesman is fired for being too dishonest, he becomes a recruiter as a fallback.
Those numbers add up to 151%
They're independent stats. You can both assess the effectiveness of your job descriptions and see how difficult it would be to replace certain employees.
The HR profession’s reputation as pond scum remains intact.
Should be illegal
Legal vs illegal when it comes to business is a forgone conclusion. Enforceable vs unenforceable should be the main focus. If you pass 100 laws and none of them are enforced on the entities that caused the legislation, you are only punching down.
Then the enforcement squad should be vigilantism towards the recruiters, no ?
I have job hopped 3 times in the last 2 years, increasing my salary by over 25% each time. My secret? Recruiters. I don't know if I'm just in a high demand field, but I just keep my LinkedIn profile set to "looking for work" and every couple of weeks I'll get a new recruiter reaching out. I always respond and see what they're offering. Sure, 9/10 times it's not better, but at least I can use them to sharpen my resume/interviews skills. But then there's always that 1/10 where it's like "wait, you're offering HOW much?!"
I never plan on leaving, but damn, am I just supposed to ignore an offer with a huge pay increase?
The best time to look for a new job is when you already have one. If you have a job, set your profile to open and keep an ear to the ground. Let the recruiters work for you. You'll never know what will come your way.
Linkedin is the only worthwhile social media. Just ignore the feed and just use it to connect with recruiters.
Similar for me, but just 2 times in 8 years. Including internal promotions at those jobs, I increased my salary by more than 3x.
It costs literally nothing to just be open for incoming contact requests.
At what point do they tell you what salary they’re offering?
Does your field require extensive tests/interview process prior to being hired?
Yea salary is usually discussed after the tests/interview. I do them anyways to keep my skills sharp.
that sounds soul crushing
Fucking parasites.
No wonder I've only had 4 interviews in 9 months. The job application process is fucking ridiculous right now.
The one and only time I managed to get scheduled for an interview from an online job application, GMail filed the fucking email as spam! So of course I missed the interview... ☹️
Fuck online job applications!
There’s 2 companies that still have the same job posting I applied to 6 months ago up and none of my other ex coworkers heard anything from them either. I won’t apply to those companies again. Bu bye
When I was starting out I would copy job postings for the position I wanted and then post a fake version so I could see what sort of resumes I'd be competing against.
The take away from doing that: put effort into the design of your resume - make it a pdf and never send a word doc.
Oh, also applying for jobs is a pure numbers game. You should be applying to as many as you can and not spend too much time on any one application.
People send fucking Word docs‽
Some HR clowns specifically ask for them
Wait til you see "Copy paste your entire resume into this tiny plaintext input box." Lmao
and then upload it as a document separately anyways because fuck you, also write a cover letter because ditto
Is this a joke? You say you were doing the same thing as the HR people, i.e. posting fake applications so why is this getting voted up?
I'm just sharing relevant information. It's not just HR people posting fake jobs, it's also other job hunters checking out the competition.
Good to know I can expect maybe 1/3 of applications to be legit
You should expect 95% of your applications to never even be looked at. It's a total numbers game.
Oh, I hear ya. My life remains in shambles
This, this right here is Exhibits E through H as to why Labor Reform in America is overdue
That would explain my poor luck with getting interviews. So I choose to believe this.
"Am I unemployable for reasons I am incapable of comprehending?" "No. No, it's the recruiters who are wrong."
So there’s employment in the afterlife?
Don't give them ideas. Death is the only escape from work we'll likely have.
Yeah, the retirement age has been raised to dead + 25 years.
Only in hell.
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