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The world's largest chipmaker promised to create thousands of US jobs. There are growing tensions over whether US workers have the skills or work ethic to do them.::Jobs at the TSMC semiconductor factory in Arizona could require long hours and total obedience. Americans may push back on the company's culture.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Oh ok so we aren't being slaves enough is what they're saying

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean FABs are very complex. If they're going to try to give the role to the uneducated poor folk (looking at you south USA), it's going to require extreme leadership conditions :(

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No, it's going to require extreme salaries, because there are so many options for the qualified people in the Phoenix area. TSMC's reputation precedes them and people would rather work at Intel or NXP or ONsemi or anywhere else for less money, than to work for them

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Again, "qualified" is not their target demo for workers lol

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Outrage bait.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

You guys do know the affordability of the chips you're using to comment on this is a direct consequence of TSMC "efficiency", right?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

TSMC doesn’t make everything.

There are morally abhorrent chip manufacturers in South Korea and Japan as well.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The manufacturing cost of the SoC in my phone is not at all at the top of the bill of materials. You could double the price of the SoC (or reduce TSMC manufacturing efficiency in half) and the price would go up by $50-80 at most. And I'm talking about top of the line SoCs like the Apple Bionic and Snapdragon 8 series. There won't be a significant market disruption if this happened. There's already an estimate of the increased cost of production in the US and it lies around 50% over the Taiwanese cost, so it's not even close to the above. That's $25-40 per top of the line phone extra.

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[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 year ago (9 children)

The comment in this thread are a good summary of why TSMC has concerns. I fully support workers rights of course. But from TSMC's perspective, WHY would they want to put up with all our 'crap' when they can continue operating in Taiwan with their standard practices?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Fair point however I would rather have chip dependance than exploitation

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago

Because we have them money to do it.

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