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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If you look at the numbers, the % growth in terminal multiplexers in the last hundred years has been absolutely staggering. Way more than just a fad!

(I love tmux)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

where do you get those numbers, boss?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I make them in a factory. I buy the raw bits at a bulk discount, and then workers assemble them into numbers by hand. Then we export them to people who need manufactured data, like elementary schools and consulting companies in North America.

It's not super exciting, but it's a living.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

lol thank you

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Or, more importantly: does it matter?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Ummm... Do people not realize this is satire? 😅

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

It's very poorly done

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

"satire"

"Humor"

Edit:. Btw who are you asking about? I see one other top-level comment besides yours and no replies to it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It was just a general comment because of all the downvotes. 😅

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Weird, I see no downvotes either. Just 5 upvotes.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Satire or not, it's still correct lol. Terminals and terminal emulation need to be destroyed. Modern systems with graphics and windowing systems are not VT100s and that's a good thing.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ummm.... Nope. You'll pry my terminal from my cold, dead hands. There's no faster way to get many system tasks done than the command line.

I use GUIs all day, but there's almost always at least one terminal open on screen because that's where the real work gets done.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Sorry, I should have been more clear. I agree with you. I'm not talking about text-based interfaces and commands. I just mean the way Unix/POSIX handles "terminals" (devices that accept streams of characters according to a protocol established in the 70s) is an antiquated way of handling simple plain text streams. It made sense back then when there was a need to send commands to dumb terminals in-band with the plaintext but this doesn't really make sense these days when your "terminal" is actually just a program pretending to be a dumb terminal running inside a window. When was the last time you used job control instead of opening another window?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I'm probably the wrong person to ask if they're using Unix-style features because I do use them. Hell, most of my RaspberryPI (and other SBC systems) I only ever use over the serial console and SSH. It's the most natural way to interact with a computer.

Job control is something I do use. I regularly background processes, run other tools, and the foreground the prior ones. I'll also launch GUI tools from the command line often. I launch ArduinoIDE, vscode, freecad, gimp, many others from the terminal. A common one is to be doing terminal file management, or git repo management, and then launch nemo with "nemo . &" to bring up a file explorer in the current directory.

I also use screen (never moved to tmux like I should have). I'll ssh into servers and run screen to manage projects, edit code, and do long running processes in the test phases before deployment.

I'll also suspend vim to drop to a command line. It's faster than moving back to the mouse and waiting for another terminal. When I'm done, I foreground vim and get back to work.

I send OS signals with kill and such. Yeah, I leverage there terminal, process controls, and OS level signals. Should and average suer do this? Unlikely. My kids don't (mostly GUI only work for them), but over time they have been inching forward on gaining more control over their Linux machines, so they'll be doing process control soon enough. Especially for things like Minecraft and Terraria servers that they're now starting to host for friend groups.

If not a character stream parsing based terminal input output system, what would you propose instead? The current computing models are merely the accepted approach, and if a better one comes along I'm all ears.

[–] Noodlez 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Or maybe terminal emulation needs to be brought up to speed with modern computing. New terminal specs and all that.

Nothing is better for remote computing and administration than a terminal. It's far too data data dense for anything to be competitive.

Nothing is better for quick and easy iteration of programming ideas than a quick text output in a terminal.

It doesn't need to be destroyed, it needs some iteration. It's an old technology with a lot of cruft.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Or maybe terminal emulation needs to be brought up to speed with modern computing. New terminal specs and all that.

Yeah, I agree. I should have been more clear lol. See my other comment.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"is containerization a fad?"

"Is ssh a fad?"

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Looks like you sshd into my working titles