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An officer in upstate New York shot and killed a teen fleeing while pointing a replica gun, police said Saturday.

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[–] [email protected] 125 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

Hey I'll give them some credit with that headline.

Not "13-year-old killed in police shooting" or "a 13-year old died during a police interaction" etc. Nope, they fully went with "Police in New York shoot and kill 13-year-old." Thank you, PBS.

Also -

The shooting happened Friday night after officers in Utica stopped two youths at around 10:18 p.m.

One of them fled and pointed what appeared to be a handgun at the officers, according to a statement by the Utica Police Department.

I'll be interested to see when that footage is released and what it contains.

[–] [email protected] 68 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The department said it is also aware of a video circulating on social media of the incident but warned that it does not portray the incident in its entirety.

I have a feeling the officially released footage might also not portray the incident in its entirety..

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago

If it shows a kid running and pointing what appeared to be a handgun, then that'll be a pretty big part of the incident...

[–] [email protected] 20 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Watch it actually be 3 kids with Arizona Iced Teas and Skittles.

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[–] [email protected] 99 points 4 months ago (5 children)

"I'd rather kill 100 innocent kids than retreat from one dangerous criminal." /s

[–] [email protected] 40 points 4 months ago

You misspelled "then".

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago

Fuck if it doesn't seem true.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago

Yeah, like what are the stats on 13 year olds actually shooting cops vs. just having toy guns? Like at some point you gotta realize it's probably not actually a threat and proceed more cautiously.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

"¿Por qué no los dos?" - Uvalde cops.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Shame he didn't have a school to hide in

[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It would be funny if it weren't so sad.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago

Yeah it stung me too lol

[–] [email protected] 36 points 4 months ago

Fleeing, and pointing a pellet gun? Not sure I buy the story, based on that alone.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

One of them fled and pointed what appeared to be a handgun at the officers, according to a statement by the Utica Police Department.

If the footage confirms this, it makes sense that the officer shot him. Don't point guns or gun replicas at people.

But they were fleeing and pointed a gun at him? Either the reporting is shitty or it did not happen like the police say it happened.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 months ago (5 children)

You can run and point a gun backwards/shoot in their general direction.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

Patsy Parisi over here.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

The bystander video is shown here: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1188314849017274

Video shows three cops chasing a suspect. The first cop tackles the kid and proceeds to punch him. The second cop run up with gun drawn and shots the kid in less than a second while the first cop is still busy wrestling.

IMHO, the 2nd cop's shooting was incredibly unsafe since he was shooting a suspect wrestling another cop from less than 1 foot away. As far as I can tell, the cop basically ran up to the kid, put his gun to his head, and pulled the trigger. You can not tell from THIS video if there was a gun in the kids hand, but I can't believe the first cop would not have tackled him if there was! There is no way this is a good shooting.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

Thank you. It should be fixed now.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 4 months ago (1 children)

If the police were also armed with pellet guns, this never would have happened.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 4 months ago

The only way to stop a bad guy with pellets is a good guy with pellets.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 months ago (3 children)

I should point out that pellet guns do not have a 'Day-Glo Safety Orange/Red' tip.

As they do eject actually harmful projectiles; they look much like other guns until you get close to them. Reasonable parenting would have included making sure the child understood that under no circumstances do you point that at people.

That doesn't make this less of a tragedy, but it does provide some context to the situation. Cops are, sadly, trained out of necessity not to try to discern when on the receiving end of any gun barrel. While it's difficult to expect a child to know not to point weapons at police; doing so is in fact dangerous.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago (6 children)

Outcome is unfortunate but pointing a gun, replica or not, at an officer has always been a very bad idea. Nothing is different now vs 30 years ago.

Do we as a society really need reminding don't point weapons at police? Don't do it folks.

[–] [email protected] 59 points 4 months ago (15 children)

Your flaw is that you're taking the police at their word. Why the fuck would a 13 year old point a pellet gun at the cops?

If I see footage that corroborates their story I'll believe it. Until then, I'm assuming the murderer is also a liar. ACAB

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

Do we as a society really need reminding don’t point weapons at police? Don’t do it folks.

Do we need a reminder that kids aren't mini-adults, and they do stupid things sometimes? In any case, I'll believe he pointed it at them when I see a video of it.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Yeah I can see that. I guess where I have an issue is that the old white guy who shot up a Planned Parenthood a few years back was taken alive (and he's far from the only example) and it's like, why is it that they can negotiate and talk guys like that down but don't bother to even attempt to de-escalate with brown kids? Or brown adults, really.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago

Kid was Asian. Police violence on Asians is comparable to caucasians

[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Police are allowed to point weapons at you and not expect return fire. It's not considered self defense if you return fire even if the police burst into your home in the middle of the night and don't announce themselves. 2nd amendment rights are simply an advertisement for the gun industry to sell more weapons and ammunition and has nothing to do with self defense especially from the state.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago

I think most people would agree and understand but can't we expect a bit of common sense from the police.

This death was unnecessary but legal under our laws.

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