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[–] [email protected] 173 points 1 year ago (3 children)

It's one thing to hear the warnings of scientists my entire life on the ravages of climate change. It is entirely another to see it play out in real life. News of fire and destruction will become as commonplace as school shootings in less than 10 years. Living in Hell will be normal soon.

[–] [email protected] 55 points 1 year ago

With the same people who block action on gun violence now offering thoughts and prayers to climate change victims and saying that anyone trying to solve the problem is just politicizing a tragedy.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (3 children)

How is this fire related to climate change? Genuine question because I don't understand the connection

[–] [email protected] 63 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Based on my own training in environmental science, I can say that virtually all phenomena in nature have multiple, interacting causes. To synthesize what I've read about the wildfires on Maui, the direct factors were: invasive grass species which have taken over much of the land area after the sugar cane and pineapple plantations shut down decades ago; a flash drought on the island; and high winds from Hurricane Dora. A flash drought means it's hot and dry enough to pull moisture out of the plants and the ground, so the conditions on the island were very, very dry. The dry grasses burn quickly and intensely, and the fire was fanned by 70-80MPH winds from the hurricane passing by in the Pacific Ocean.

Climate change has a role in making flash droughts much more likely, and more intense. It also helps fuel bigger, stronger hurricanes. Thus, a flash drought coinciding with a hurricane is much more likely due to it.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

Thank you for the detailed explanation!

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

If only I had Lemmy silver to give

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

Changes to rain patterns, higher temperatures drying vegetation…what might have been minor or even nothing can now become an inferno.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It is entirely another to see it play out in real life. News of fire and destruction will become as commonplace as school shootings in less than 10 years

in some countries, it already is!

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

In Australia someone's house burnt down the other day. I haven't heard of any bushfires this year, but that house burning down sure pushed us ahead of the school shooting count for the year.

[–] [email protected] 83 points 1 year ago (3 children)

So many historical sites just GONE. Spent Summer's in my teens working jobs along Front Street. Extremely sad and I hope they get the hope they need soon.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago

They'll get the hope they need for sure! All those thought and prayers will surely build their hope.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My grandma grew up in Lahaina and sadly her mother’s ashes are gone with the Buddhist temple that burned down :(

[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I just flew out of Oahu back to San Diego. I thought I was seeing a pool of lava and took a picture excitedly. Then I learned about all of this after getting home…

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

would you mind sharing that photo?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Yes please!

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

Thanks, Big Oil!

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

It burned the color out.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Did they actually use greyscale or similar to make it look worse than it already is?

[–] [email protected] 77 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

That’s how shit looks after it burns. You ever seen a campfire? And cloud cover or smoke filters daylight which actually reveals a lot of natural color. Think about what your town looks like on an overcast day vs a clear one.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago

Also, a lot of ashes falling everywhere makes everything look grey.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago

The image below has enough hints of color that I think it's a color image, too. I guess there's so much smoke in the air that the sunlight is getting filtered and everything looks grey.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I guess a lot of it is due to the unclear sky, there still is a lot of smoke visible in the bottom picture. Direct sunlight makes the colours more vibrant, whereas grey sky will also reflect on the sea greyish. It's always possible they might also have helped a bit with a filter.

Here are clearer, more close-up pictures:

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