They missed by far the most important one:
I just wanted to confirm from our meeting just now, did you want me to (some crazy shit that could cause problems)?
(and DO NOT do any of the crazy shit until you have the email confirming it)
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I’m not giving up ‘no worries’, sorry.
Do you use it for “you’re welcome”? I thought it was more of an “I accept your apology.”
For example, if someone said “sorry for the delay,” I’d say “no worries, I also ignore some emails for days or even weeks.”
Yeah I usually use it when someone is telling me they messed up or inconvenienced me in some very slight way.
I’ve heard it’s a generational divide thing between “you’re welcome” and “no problem.” I’m an older millennial and tend to use “you’re welcome” in more formal settings and “no problem” in more casual settings.
I use “no worries” if someone is apologizing but sometimes I suppose if someone is thanking me for some slight inconvenience I’ll also use “no worries.”
I read an article that older generations think “no problem” is a rude replacement for “you’re welcome” which is funny because they mean the same thing. The thing you are telling the person they are welcome to is your help and time because it was not a problem.
This fucking garbage again. Just be genuine, you dont need to find some optimal way to flex / power game in emails.
I'd say this is more like how to email effectively. If you want to email like a boss, you need to master the subtle art of the one-word email.
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Emailing like a boss is to turn every email into an hour long meeting.
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https://lettersofnote.com/2010/08/05/the-tiger-oil-memos/
DO YOUR JOBS AND KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT!
(Signed)
EDWARD MIKE DAVIS
This misses A LOT of of social nuances. Don't use this if you can read the room and think for yourself. Terrible guide
If I get an email that says "it's easier to discuss in person" I am DEFINITELY writing that shit down.
What kind of personality is always aware of this kind of perceptive interaction, and what are their core thought functions?
it’s as simple as not taking a submissive or apologetic tone. Realizing you are a peer with the other party.
Also cutting out filler words and disfluencies common in casual conversation.
Not saying "sorry", and instead saying "thank you for your patience", will make me internally think "no, I wasn't feeling patient at all", and I'll think you're a condescending asshole and undermine you at every turn.
People need to learn how to apologize gracefully and keep moving.
how about “I appreciate you waiting”
It works as an implied apology, but you can also just say you're sorry and move on.
In my experience, both American colleagues, and older colleagues, tend to have a weird guilt complex that often prevents them from just saying sorry and moving on and not having it be a big deal. I think the god fearing, bible thumping, everything you do is a sin, kind of upbringing has knock on effects that lead to toxic behaviour like not being able to admit fault easily.
Imho, it shows far more confidence to be able to confidently admit fault and not be broken to pieces over it, you know that everyone makes mistakes and that you can fix yours better than most.
Thanks. I'm terrible about thinking this way. I always follow my curiosity and really only care about an abstract understanding any people that like to explore. When I'm the boss, no one works for me; they work with me and take on responsibility or I do it myself and get rid of them. I can do it all; not the best or the fastest, but I can do about anything if I really try. To me, social dynamics seem childish, but I also suck at things like emotional reinforcement and coercive sales. Most places I've worked, I wind up operating outside of any management structure, set my own hours, etc.
One of the big steps to becoming a boss who enables others is understanding that you can’t do it all yourself, and that your job is to help other people do more than you could yourself alone. I am learning that as I transition from being “the buck stops here guy“ to a manager
Definitely. I do exactly that. I do not want to do it all myself and I do not micromanage. I simply expect others to take on what they can along side me and build a sense of competition between us.
My approach stems from owning a body shop twice and hiring people I liked from the dealerships I worked for all the time. I never hired anyone with experience in auto body because I specialized in a very specific niche type of repair and used nonstandard techniques. I could and did occasionally do traditional work, but the majority of the time I did not. So I had to teach everyone everything about the job. I have absolutely no problem doing the most menial task if that is what needs to be done in the moment; nothing is beneath me, and I expect that kind of attitude from everyone I work with, just do what needs to be done and move on. I won't waste a minute with anyone that resists that kind of thing; I find it adolescent and childish. I know I'm a jack of all trades, and not the best at any given task, but I'm excellent at plugging the holes and working more like a group of friends.
Someone interested in controlling others... a boss.
"How to email in a stiff, cold, professional tone for the first two emails in a chain before the pretense is dropped and we email informally because there are more important things to do."
✓ Okay, boomer.
It'd best if we.
Why does this feel so wrong?
Because so much of that would put you off if you were on the receiving end.
As a human person, when a human person is on the other end, I do my best to be kind, empathetic, forgiving, and accommodating.
When some asshole wants to try and swing his dick around in an email, my instinct is "fuck that guy"
So, fun fact, this is lifted directly (except with shittier graphics and formatting and also what I think are the remnants of OCR or autocorrect mistakes that didn’t get fixed, which is kind of hilarious - for instance, the middle square should be “Wording this is hard,” not “Working this is hard”) from Dani Donovan’s Anti-Planner: How to Get Sh*t Done When You Don’t Feel Like It, an amazing resource for people with ADHD. (Highly recommend, by the way, even though it was kinda pricy.) It was meant as a guide for anxious, dysregulated people who severely struggle with writing these types of emails and communications. It’s not quite the investment bro bullshit I think a lot of people here seem to think.
I mean, whether it has value in itself is up to the beholder. I just wanted to give credit to the actual creator and provide a little context.
I have a friend I help with her start up and occasionally she starts that shit with me. I have zero patience for boss speak and my labor is free so I just tell her off.
Just because in your head you RP as a boss doesn't mean I'm going to do a meeting instead of an email, and a little friendly, humble speech goes a long way vs. whatever the fuck these rude ass emails are.
I do not take people who use corporate and "boss" jargon seriously at all. Like, ever. Just talk to me like a goddamn person please.
How do you even start? I'm regularly stumbling on the form of address for unfamiliar people in a business context, especially when it's hard to infer their gender by name.
Dear Sir or Madam
To whom it may concern
Hello <given name>
I hear that the gen Zs are just skipping salutations these days.
I tend to go with "hi firstName"
Good morning, afternoon, etc is a fine neutral opening
Hello [First name]
If you're in a more casual industry/company, or
Hello [Dr/Mr/Ms Lastname]
If you're in a more formal situation and know their salutation, or
Hello [Full Name]
If you're in a more formal situation and you don't. It's ok to be less formal in email than in a written letter.
Either or, I don't think most people care.
Now, you wanna make a splash... "Yo dawg, So I heard you're hiring. Hit me up.
- Employable Guy"
Goes over super well with HR. (But seriously you probably can get away with this with so many unimportant emails lol)
I will need to leave for at...
Like a boss
“It’d best if we…”