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British Columbia has finalized regulations to provide a minimum-wage and basic protections for ride-hailing and delivery workers using app-based platforms such as Uber, DoorDash and SkipTheDishes.
The Ministry of Labour says in a statement the regulations that will take effect on Sept. 3 are a first in Canada.
It says the changes are the result of years of engagement with various stakeholders, and they address workers’ top concerns, including low and unpredictable pay, tip protection and lack of workers’ compensation.
The new rules set the minimum wage for the time a worker is engaged in a job at $20.88 per hour, 20 per cent higher than B.C.’s general minimum wage.
The province says the rationale for adding the premium is that the minimum wage does not apply to the workers’ time spent waiting between assignments.
The rules will also ensure 100 per cent of customers’ tips go to the worker and establish a 35- to 45-cent minimum per-kilometre vehicle allowance to help workers cover their expenses, as well as coverage through B.C.’s workers’ compensation agency.
The regulations will also require platforms to show workers the locations and estimated pay for a particular job before they accept it, and the companies must provide a reason if a worker is suspended or terminated from their position.
Will a Lemmy user here in BC who sometimes orders rides or food from these apps conduct an experiment for us?
I want to see how much of a difference in price this will make between now and September. I doubt it will be much but an informal study would be interesting.
The issue is prices likely would go up regardless, they'll just use this as an excuse.
Also, this:
The rules will also ensure 100 per cent of customers’ tips go to the worker and establish a 35- to 45-cent minimum per-kilometre vehicle allowance to help workers cover their expenses, as well as coverage through B.C.’s workers’ compensation agency.
is great, but gross it was ever the other way.
I'm not sure why anyone thought they wouldn't just raise prices like they always do. They made 12 billion or whatever for 2023, I think they can handle paying some drivers in BC 20.88 an hour.
There’s many precedent of this. Seattle city itself recently had one and the surcharge was pretty insane. I’m expecting a large hike in price, with basically the consumers picking up the tab while the platforms continue to extract revenue from restaurants.
Low and unpredictable pay: The regulation sets a minimum wage for engaged time, and a minimum per-kilometre vehicle allowance to compensate workers for their vehicle expenses.
It's likely, imo, that these changes will cause the prices for these services to increase substantially — minimum rates create market inefficiencies through deadweight loss.
Nope costs go up when corporations increase prices because of greed.
If operational costs surpass current revenue, then the business must either increase revenue (through potentially increasing prices) or go out of business. Yes, businesses seek to maximize revenue, but greed can only go so far as people are willing to pay.
Well I dont pay for food delivery but I do support the workers.
In that same vein, keep in mind that the exchange of labor functions the same as the exchange of any other good. By extension, it can be described through supply and demand. If the cost of labor increases, then the demand for labor will drop — this means fewer people will be hired, and people lose their jobs (as employers can no longer afford them). People are paid for the value of their work. If an employee is unable to produce value equal to or greater than minimum wage for a specific job, then they will not be hired. What this means is that minimum wages can actually have effects that are to the detriment of employees.
Trickle down economics is nonsense.
What does that have to do with any of what I just said?
Because it is apparent that you trust the rich too much when they want to keep you down to add millions more in their pockets and then they move to take away more human rights.
it is apparent that you trust the rich too much
Why?
they want to keep you down to add millions more in their pockets and then they move to take away more human rights.
I do believe that it should be assumed that a business only seeks to increase profit, but I have no issue with a business making profit given a fair and competitive market, as a fair and competitive market (ie capitalist) is not zero sum. As for regulating businesses to prevent them from exploiting things to the detriment of society, I would advocate for a Georgist approach.
Dunning Kruger peak capture large swath of Lemmy. You want to have good high level discussion of labour economics while they just want to regurgitate mainstream media copy pastas. I find myself often just leave my point and ignore the replies/votes because it’s clear lot of them haven’t quite make it past the peak yet.
Edit: lol, look at the report and vote manipulation here. Can't even talk high level without people being self centred thinking you're talking about them. Keep it up!
Dunning Kruger peak capture large swath of Lemmy.
Low quality discourse isn't unique to Lemmy.
I find myself often just leave my point and ignore the replies
Personally, I don't believe in this. The only way to improve discourse is to engage with it. One should be the change that they wish to see.
So your suggestion is that in order to keep the business afloat, Uber should be allowed to pay their workers less than minimum wage? That doesn’t sound like a reasonable business, and certainly not one I’m willing to support in my province.
This argument also falls flat because other places have done this with no increase in cost. If you look outside of the app job industry, the argument is often made that if the US raises minimum wage, places like McDonalds will get more expensive. But in Europe and elsewhere the minimum wage is way higher than the US, and their prices are not.
Allowing Uber to underpay their workers means we have to subsidize the company by providing welfare for workers who don’t earn enough. That’s coming out of our tax dollars. I’m not personally in favour of subsidizing Uber if their business can only survive by undercutting the people building it.
So your suggestion is that in order to keep the business afloat, Uber should be allowed to pay their workers less than minimum wage?
Ideally, imo, I would advocate for the abolishment of minimum wage in its entirety (this is, in practice, of course, heavily dependent on many other conflicting factors). I believe that the damages caused by a minimum wage outweigh its benefits.
other places have done this with no increase in cost
Do you have any sources for this? It is, of course, important to note that minimum wage increases don't necessitate that businesses raise their prices, but it puts an upward pressure on them, as, if they don't, their profits will decrease, and, generally, a business seeks to increase their profits, and they will do so so long as people are willing to pay. Increasing the supply of money available in the market through a minimum wage will induce demand-pull inflation — people have more money so they are more able to buy things, which puts an upward pressure on prices. In addition to that, the increased overhead for employers would induce cost-push inflation.
EDIT (2024-06-23T06:20Z): I was reading this Investopedia page, and the interaction between raising the minimum wage and inflation is more complex than I was initially aware. A specific quote of interest is the following:
in 2016, researchers from the W.E. Upjohn Institute for Employment Research examined the effect of prices on minimum wage increases in various states in the U.S. from 1978 through 2015. They found that "wage-price elasticities are notably lower than reported in previous work: we find prices grow by 0.36 percent for every 10 percent increase in the minimum wage."
These empirical results are quite interesting. I will have to look into this much more. Thank you for bringing it to my attention!
I do wonder, though, if the interactions that the article cites are dependent on the minimum wage already being present — I'd be curious to know what the outcome would be if one started without a minimum wage and implemented one.
Allowing Uber to underpay their workers
Hm, I take issue with this specific language. It's not necessarily underpayment — it's payment that the market has deemed appropriate for the employment given the current supply of it and demand for it. Underpaying implies an official baseline which would only apply in a market with a minimum wage.
Allowing Uber to underpay their workers means we have to subsidize the company by providing welfare for workers who don’t earn enough.
Things start to get complicated when one starts introducing other factors like welfare (ie social security income). If there is welfare, depending on how its structured exactly, a minimum wage typically must accompany it, as far as I currently understand things. There are indeed scenarios where welfare could end up subsidizing a company, eg if there is welfare imposed to meet a living wage, but I'm not confident in my knowledge of the specifics.