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[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Did they mention they killed ~~two~~ four of their own hostages also?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It mentions that claim but now there is no evidence provided of it either, yet.

More interesting to me is the news that it wasn't the extraction that created casualties, it was the group somehow getting stuck and the militant counterattack that spurred escalation. While I do not condone the Israeli attitude towards casualties, I don't condone the Hamas attitude towards them either.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Presumably they factored Hamas not willingly handing over the hostages into their planning. If their contingency plan for meeting resistance was just to bomb areas full of civilians until they could get out, it still shows a lack of regard for Palestinian lives.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

No disagreement on the blame that should be assigned to Israel here. But I think we should be holding Hamas to the same standard for holding hostages in populated areas, performing attacks in populated areas, and of course kidnapping in the first place, among other crimes.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

Hamas is a terrorist organization that "we" have almost no leverage over.

Israel is a democracy that we have significant leverage over.

Put another way, the "serious" calls for harder policy from the US to Israel is to condition some of the military aid. The reasom no one is calling for something similar with Hamas is that we are not giving Hamas military aid.

The only aid western countries are giving to Gaza (and, by nessesity Hamas) is humanitarian aid. And international law is very clear that conditioning that is not acceptable.

If you are Iranian elite reading this, then you have no business blaming Israel, since Hamas is the one in your sphere.

[–] sbrb -5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Or to rephrase: Hamas sacrificed 274 civilians to hold 4 civilians hostage

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

Hamas sacrificed some number of militants and innocent people that add up to 274. All were not innocent unless you think these hostages were on a impromptu vacation.