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Do people actually like all of the overdesigned clutter to the point where it makes them not want to switch sites?
To me, the stripped down clarity on Lemmy is a feature. I remember back in the day when people flocked to Facebook from MySpace, in large part because they were sick of eye gouging customized pages and just wanted a simple, consistent interface. The content, not the buttons to click on it are the draw right?
I'm here to read think and talk. I like it simple.
Yeah, for real. "But there's no fun awards and bubbly icons and bright colors."
Well then, go back to kindergarten.
Same, was using old.Reddit before and plan on figuring out how to use the tools I saw to redo lemmy to page layout on no stupid questions.
The reason I used Reddit is Fun WAS because of its stripped down, bare bones style. I only wanted to read thoughts and opinions, and choose to view images/video/ads when I wanted to. This is absolutely a feature of Jerboa (and Lemmy) for me
I don't know the background of OP so this is just an opinion: I feel that modern UX have become so ubiquitous and streamlined for content consumption that users who aren't used to old-styled UIs see the lack of "sleek" design as lesser. It works doubly so that users aren't willing to venture outside of their ecosystems and will put up with anything regardless if it's detrimental to their experience.
Compare users of new reddit and the official app vs. users of old reddit and 3PA. I used 3PA because there wasn't an official app and RiF matched what I was used to. It's a similar phenomena to Apple users vs Windows/Android. People are just used to a streamlined sleek experience (which to be fair has it's merits) but to say it's superior or that the alternative is lesser is a large misstep in thinking.
It takes effort to go out of your comfort zone but it's saddening to see users mindlessly, for lack of a better terms, consume
I think Lemmy could use some more ads. I feel like I don't have enough material things, and I don't know what to buy. /s
"The hosts are too lazy" says the person whining about it without doing anything.
Try switching to a platform you've never used before and making a community out of nothing, or host the Lemmy instance and be forced to deal with thousands of new users daily. Lazy my ass...
I think the more they bitch about Reddit alternatives, the more people will be reminded that there are alternatives to Reddit.
It feels familiar to old.reddit so i like it. Squabbles has an interesting approach to displaying posts + comments tho
It's about personal preference. It's important to have a user interface that's modular and comfortable for the end user and manageable for the devs. Options are always the answer, the ability to enable or disable certain aspect or details is what drives me towards one app or the other. (This is coming from someone who used Infinity for Reddit for the past 4 years.)
It just seems incredibly nitpicky to call alternatives lazy for not having all of the modularity of a decade+ old platform.
”Reddit is imploding, and the CEO is being terrible to users, and the native app is super intrusive and inefficient but ugh the alternatives have square buttons.”
Just really weird that the lack of visual bells and whistles is something to even talk about at the moment. Just a little lower in the thread, the same person complained about lack of gilding. Just, really weird complaints.
I'm ok with the Lemmy plain designs.
I'm just glad it defaults to dark mode. Any site that defaults to light mode can go straight to hell.
I'm not really sure, I think some of them might which is weird. Though I think a lot of them are just trying to find reasons to complain about Lemmy because they are addicted to reddit, don't want to make the switch and they know that if people start leaving Reddit they're going to have to switch to something else and that scares the shit out of them. So they're going to complain about Lemmy or the alternatives because they desperately don't want to lose Reddit, their source of dopamine and fulfillment.
Though I think a lot of them are just trying to find reasons to complain about Lemmy because they are addicted to reddit, don't want to make the switch and they know that if people start leaving Reddit they're going to have to switch to something else and that scares the shit out of them.
It sometimes amazes me how opposed to change people can sometimes be. Yeah sure Lemmy is different, but not radically so.
If you don't like the UI, you can always download a browser extension that change the CSS of the website. However, if this is the main criticism people do to Lemmy, I would say that's not bad for a relatively new platform
I prefer clean interfaces and thus far haven't been disappointed. Just gimme a dark theme option and I'm (mostly) happy.
Someone didn't grow up during the days of forums.
But as a designer, I understand where they're coming from. Especially if they were using the new reddit design on the web and Apollo on mobile. At the very least though, I think Lemmy's default UI looks much better than old.reddit (and I say that as someone who still uses old.reddit).
One thing I do dislike, the post width on desktop is limited. Between the sidebar always being shown and the container being 1140 px wide, the comment section ends up only being 760 px wide; way too narrow for me.
I wrote a Stylus script for Firefox to make the posts full-width.
URL starts with: https://lemmy.world/post URL starts with: https://lemmy.world/comment
Script:
.container, .container-lg, .container-md, .container-sm, .container-xl {
max-width: 100%;
}
.col-md-8 {
flex: 0 0 80%;
max-width: 80%;
}
.col-md-4 {
flex: 0 0 20%;
max-width: 20%;
}
I've noticed my friends my age (late teens/ early 20s) say that lemmy and kbin look old. They also are new reddit users so they are probably used to the social media, ads before content approach of modern websites compare to those who enjoyed more simple site designs that were functional
The color schemes seem good enough to me. I mean, sure it could perhaps be more interesting or vibrant but ehh. There are way more important issues to focus on, in my opinion.
Web design is important. It's part of grievances against reddit with the app and old reddit. It took me awhile to accept new Reddit design.
With Lemmy my biggest issues:
Often slow to respond and sometimes return undeclared error (just html value,,.etc). Likely due to traffic coping.
A bit harder to navigate, I'm not sure yet how to go to kbin and join. When I search I get meta.
Though this place is very promising attempt compared to past ones.
Simple and clean UIs are an improvement over what's now considered "modern web design" meant to manipulate your attention to particular things. It feels like the agency is taken away from the user. I am loving the fediverse for this reason and have been a fan and user of FOSS apps for over a decade because the design goals of the software match the actual use-case of the app without trying to tie you in to something else. No distractions, no advertisements, no walled gardens. Just, here's the app, here's the functionality, it's been delivered. Now use it as you see fit without an ulterior motive from the developer or their investors (or lack thereof.)
I definitely choose my social media based on round edges and opaque tiles. Don't you? It definitely isn't for the content or discussion.
Dark grays, blues? Squared? Good. I love simplicity! Not to mention, Reddit started out like that too, and among the older wave of users old.reddit was still a favorite for that reason.
... have they seen the reddit apps?
Also color customization is definitely a post MVP thing usually. This platform is not mature
Strange, I think Lemmy highly resembles Reddit. Maybe this user is talking about an app? Ironically, the apps are what this is about.
Yes people do like nice design and user interfaces. Apple managed to grab a large market share by understanding that.
It doesn't have to be cluttered but it doesn't have to be ... this.
If you want things to improve, you are going to have to accept criticism that your current crush isn’t perfect. There is already a lot of the toxic Reddit’ness that has come over, we don't need more.
There's a lot of bullshit being posted about Lemmy over there, but lots of folks spreading the good word of the Fediverse as well. I'm doing my part until Bacon Reader stops working.
Dude what that's that's gotta be a reddit plant or something lmao, the main nsfw instance, lemmynsfw, two weeks in banned anything that depicts someone underage, even manga and other animated mediums, like people are self regulating these things to NOT have cp
I'm pretty sure Reddit UI/UX isn't very well designed either lol. Especially new reddit.
Honestly dig it, reminds me of the early days of reddit when it was more of a community than an advertising platform. People are just looking for any little thing at this point.
Form over function, it's been all over the place for the last few years.
Right now I can see buttons I may not use immediately in the interface… to me it's fine. To modern designer these must be hidden and only show up contextually or with an hover, and keep the space empty otherwise.
I don't really like modern design, but it is true that a lot of people (mainly younger people or old people that never really looked at internet much before) really enjoy the "simplicity and lean look". These people also enjoy interfaces that requires a lot of waiting and moving around to do simple thing, so…
Was using Lemmy on my phone via browser, and I darn near swooned at how clean and tidy and useable it was.
I like the deisgn and layout of Lemmy a lot. It reminds me a lot of old.reddit.com
Lemmy is still a baby. I am sure we'll see tweaks/improvements over time. We'll also see scripts/extensions. Overall, I am enjoying my experience using Lemmy.
TBF Lemmy UI/UX is horrible. So is Reddit's IMO, for completely different reasons, but still. It's a valid criticism, it's just also not an endorsement of Reddit.
"Do people actually like all of the overdesigned clutter?" Hell nah! Polar opposite here.
I absolutely hate it when sites randomly redesign to look "modern" and "hip" or whatever you want to call it. Forcefully adding flashy, colorful stuff that you can't turn off again or opt out of is a surefire way for me to dislike the site in question immediatly. Emojis, animated smileys, glitter effects, neon-colored letters, autoplay-animations, and worst of all: sound effects! Nope. Nu-uh. Get that sh*t away from me. I like my black-squared, simple layout and silent browsing experience, thank you very much.
In the middle of 2010, "Due to a controversial redesign brought on by Digg, disgruntled users declared a "Quit Digg" day where they posted links to Reddit and left Digg behind to join Reddit. Reddit subsequently overtook Digg in search popularity. "
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Reddit
Here's what Reddit looked like on August 7, 2010
https://web.archive.org/web/20100807085503/http://www.reddit.com/
This is what Digg looked like on August 7, 2010
https://web.archive.org/web/20100807080410/http://digg.com/
Reddit's had 18 years to tweak the user interface. Lemmy's Initial release was May 5, 2019; 4 years ago. Honestly, I have no issue with Lemmy's interface, but I feel confident in saying that given another 14 years of development, Lemmy will probably not look like it does today.
I use a grease monkey script to make it basically identically to old Reddit. It’s wonderful. Highly recommended
I'm especially annoyed by the way videos are shown on every Lemmy UI, I can't be bothered to click on a link every time there's video content on my feed
You can skin and theme an instance however you want, and the lemmi-ui code is open source so you can completely customize that side of things too. It's a complete non issue the instant someone with design capabilities contributes.
i agree. the only reason why i hae accounts on shit like this is to prepare for the VERY VERY MINISCULE chance that reddit will shut down due to them making shit decisions.
bring back css for every community
Lemmy clients could definetly benefit from more customization options. Let everyone have it as they want.
Ah, a preview of people defending Reddit for removing old.reddit eventually.
its beautiful. i used to read reddit through redreader. simple is good. is there any good lemmy app? im new here :)