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Donald Trump has been found guilty of using a criminal hush-money scheme to influence the outcome of the 2016 election.

The verdict came after a jury deliberated for less than twelve hours in the unprecedented first criminal trial against a US president. It marks a perilous political moment for Trump, the presumptive nominee for the Republican nomination, whose poll numbers have remained unchanged throughout the trial but could tank at any moment.

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[–] [email protected] 173 points 5 months ago (4 children)

So the Republican nominee is a thirty-four time convicted felon?

I guess I can be president too someday.

[–] [email protected] 92 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Convicted felons can run for office. They just can’t vote in the election.

I desperately want him to lose Florida by one vote. His own.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Florida says he can vote based on the conviction being in NY, and in NY he can vote unless he’s incarcerated.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Which is how it should be in Florida, and everywhere. People shouldn't continue to be punished after serving their time.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 5 months ago

They should be able to vote in jail too. Otherwise an authoritarian could just lock up their political opponents, especially in swing states.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Ah. Bummer. I believe he can only vote in his home state of Florida, but it makes sense that the NY conviction doesn’t restrict his rights in another state. Thanks for the correction.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 months ago

Here is a better worded article snip from wapo:

Under Florida law, those convicted of crimes in other states cannot vote if they are barred from voting in the state where they committed their offenses, according to the U.S. Vote Foundation. New York law bars felons from voting while they are incarcerated but not when they are on probation or parole, according to the foundation and Loyola Law School professor Justin Levitt. Trump has not been sentenced yet and could remain free while he appeals his convictions. That means Trump will probably be allowed to cast a ballot as long as he is not behind bars this fall.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

What about insurrectionists like Donald trump? 🤔🤔

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago

Yup you just have to go on TV, act like an asshole constantly, and gain a cult like following from the dumbest Americans imaginable.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago (5 children)

Could someone explain how it's possible for him to be running for president?

Like, are there no laws against this? Is the only requirement for the person to have a pulse?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 months ago

If felonies prevented people from holding government positions just imagine how many bogus charges would be leveled at the GOP's enemies just to see if anything stuck. Just look at how Russia throws bogus charges at people to prevent them from running against Putin.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The U.S. Constitution states that the president must:

  • Be a natural-born citizen of the United States.
  • Be at least 35 years old.
  • Have been a resident of the United States for 14 years.
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[–] [email protected] 126 points 5 months ago (4 children)

Hahahaha.... he can't even visit Canada now. "Criminally inadmissible". Great head of state you're voting for republicans.

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/immigrate-canada/inadmissibility/overcome-criminal-convictions.html

[–] [email protected] 30 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Does this constitute a felony not of moral turpitude?

Cause if so, he can’t vote for himself in his home state.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

He committed a felony of moral turpitude. He's permanently inadmissible.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago (1 children)

If he can't vote for himself then he should not be on the ballot

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago

And republicans, the "Law and Order" party, will still vote for this man.

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[–] [email protected] 88 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

I’m sure this will be endlessly delayed by every kind of legal maneuver possible, and I personally don’t expect the sentence to include prison time, but I don’t care. The motherfucker has been found GUILTY ON ALL 34 COUNTS. That’s good enough for me.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

They don't even have to delay endlessly.

They just need to say it's all rigged against him, take the presidency and pardon himself and his cronies.

His base thinks falsifying records is "smart" and the banks are dumb for falling for it. They still think he's a stable genius

[–] [email protected] 56 points 5 months ago (1 children)

He can't pardon himself from a state crime.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 5 months ago

Ha, you say that like laws are gonna matter when he takes office.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

President can't pardon state crimes.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 5 months ago

Not with that attitude. You need the 'tear down the rule of law from the foundation up' attitude that Trump has.

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[–] [email protected] 77 points 5 months ago (5 children)

I trust the tough on crime Republicans will be appalled and change their vote since they're so against felons being involved in the democratic process--or are those just the darker-skinned ones it applies to?

[–] [email protected] 22 points 5 months ago

"Not like that" - Republikkklowns.

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[–] [email protected] 50 points 5 months ago (3 children)

From CNN:

Judge Juan Merchan sets a sentencing hearing for July 11 at 10 a.m. ET

Seems like a long delay, is that typical in a high profile case like this?

[–] [email protected] 63 points 5 months ago (1 children)

He has another trial in Florida they had to schedule around.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Its weird that thats going on again, what happened to the indefinite suspension?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Well, you see, he's got money and a few like-minded friends...

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago (2 children)

He has make believe money in the stock market and properties he doesn't want to sell but apparently no cash.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago (3 children)

He did just sell a jet for $10mil+ to raise money to pay legal fees. It turning out that the sale has some possibly illegal parts so now it's turning into the latest criming on his docket to deal with, though.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

He somehow turns every simple interaction into a felony.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 5 months ago

They requested the delay to July, since he is in court for another case in another area. I suppose it was reasonable to grant it. It'd be unfair for someone to not get their right to a trial, even if they were found guilty of a crime in another area.

It'd make more sense to keep him in custody in the meantime though. I mean, that's what they do for normal people. Right?

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[–] [email protected] 50 points 5 months ago (1 children)

This dude is such a sleazy scum. Well done republicans you have picked a winner.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 months ago (2 children)

They're not sending their best. They're sending rapists, druggies, felons, and racists in a single package.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 5 months ago

grab him by the pussy

[–] [email protected] 25 points 5 months ago (4 children)

(Trump's) poll numbers have remained unchanged throughout the trial but could tank at any moment.

https://www.npr.org/2024/05/30/nx-s1-4974598/trump-verdict-trial-voters-presidential-election

NPR polling indicates that only a small percentage of Republicans would be affected by a guilty verdict.

11 % of independents said they'd be less likely to vote for Trump.

Small amounts of Republicans would be less likely to vote for Trump with a guilty verdict. I believe that I heard 7% on the radio, but I can't find a news article to back that up.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago

I highly doubt any 2024 Republican, let alone 7%, have any actual reservations whatsoever about casting their vote directly for Trump.

Like: I think I can safely say 7% of Republican voters are obligate grifters and liars too for its worth.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

(Trump's) poll numbers have remained unchanged throughout the trial but could tank at any moment.

Bold statement!

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago

realest question in the thread

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago

Very cool, and very legal!

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 months ago (1 children)

This reminds me of that simpsons episode where Sideshow Bob becomes republican mayor via voter fraud.

Kinda nice to actually see the court and sentencing part happen in real life instead of another dr evil retiring with zero consequences.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago

So far it's largely just a historical footnote. Wait until sentencing before you get too excited. I'd wager those consequences you speak of are mostly wishful thinking.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I had to Google this to make sure it was real.

Now is he gonna be like Bannon and ignore sentencing because there are no consequences for doing so?

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