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[–] [email protected] 62 points 5 months ago (20 children)

As a foreigner I never understood the novote sentiment in the US. You aren't voting for either candidate because you dislike them, so who would you actually vote for? AOC? RFK Jr? Bernie? Does your ideal candidate even exist in reality yet? All a no vote does is take away your own rights in your country, while the rest of the world moves on without you.

For what it's worth, both parties can be trash but one party actually can be shamed to doing the right thing once in a while.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 5 months ago

Non voters are either children or morons.

Rational adults realise that this is the system and you have to operate inside of it despite the compromises.

Now, you want to start changing the system, start a grassroots campaign, get into politics to change the system, more power to you!

But sitting on your ass crying about both sides while doing nothing, you are simply an immature moron.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I cannot blame people for feeling jaded or disillusioned. Would we vote for Bernie? We certainly would've if the DNC didn't provably sabotage his campaign. And I cannot ignore that Biden is old and deeply unpopular among leftists, yet our party refuses to offer up a better choice because they're counting on "the devil you know" to carry him through. Who could feel enthusiastic about that? I think the hope is that the DNC will learn some kind of lesson if he loses, though I know they won't. The trend of "reduce harm now, actually improve things later" has been going on for a long time. When is "later"? What up and coming voice on the democratic side do we have to look forward to?

I have to vote, because my number one priority is trans rights and there's only one party that will do anything to protect that, but I don't do it happily. I understand too that the "vote blue no matter who" crowd has similar pressing concerns that require harm reduction. But I dislike the characterization of anyone who feels apathetic about the upcoming election as idiots or Russian bots. When you're only voting against a candidate, it's hard to feel motivated.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I'm with you. I love everything George Carlin did, except for his anti vote bits. Somehow voting is supposed to make you compliant in the current going on in government, is the argument.

The only way to change things is too consistently vote until the baby boomers are thinned out of their electoral advantage.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago (8 children)

Carlin isn't wrong on the crucial parts.

The system is broken and cannot be fixed by voting. It must be dismantled and replaced.

But while we get started on the dismantling and replacing, maybe vote so that the current system doesn't deteriorate, break down and gets replaced by something worse before you have the chance to bring about meaningful and positive change.

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[–] [email protected] 57 points 5 months ago (4 children)
  • Leftists are abandoning Joe Biden and this will ensure Donald Trump's victory

  • Actually, Joe Biden is very popular and he's going to win in a landslide. Anyone who says otherwise is a Russian shill.

Rolling these two ideas in my brain like a pair of baoding balls

[–] [email protected] 30 points 5 months ago (26 children)

Where have you heard the second one? I don't think I've ever heard anyone say that.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 months ago (11 children)

It's legitimately possible the left abandons him and he picks up enough conservatives to win anyways.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago (2 children)

They're called Benoit balls

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago

Sorry, I can't even say it without adding "balls". Physically impossible.

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 5 months ago (8 children)

The situation is actually quite simple.

If you want Palestine to survive, your best bet is to vote Biden.

Literally every other option will only lower their chances. You can't have everything you want, welcome to life.

"Genocide Joe" doesn't matter when the other option is Turbo Genocide Donny.

So if there is anyone who tries to convince you to not vote Biden, they either want Palestine to die, or want to cause chaos in your country. Which is most likely a Russian bot.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 months ago

Jokes on you. I'm trying to vote for the big dawg.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago (5 children)

I know I have no way of convincing anyone of this, but I am not a Russian bot (living in the UK and not being able to vote in the US election).

But these are exactly the points of view I have been expressing over here about the Tory and Labour parties. Maybe not so much the "not voting at all" one but the other three? Yeah -- that sounds a lot like me right now.

(I think you should vote for someone you believe in, rather than voting for someone who is not someone else, if that makes sense)

But definitely not a Russian bot :)

[–] [email protected] 56 points 5 months ago (3 children)

I think you should vote for someone you believe in, rather than voting for someone who is not someone else

This would be the ideal situation, but for so long as we have first-past-the-post it's a fundamentally ineffective way to vote. Thanks to Duverger's law, unless one of the two big parties just so happens to coincide with your views then the best you can do is to vote against whichever of the big two you dislike most. "Big two" here depends on your constituency - it may not be Labour and the Conservatives locally, but it is true that virtually every constituency has at most two realistic options. Labour may not be very good, but if they're in power it's probably at minimum going to make this a better place for asylum seekers and trans people (or whoever the Tories would go after next), and Labour's voting record on the environment really is far better than the Conservatives' too.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Well as long as you have your pride as the world burns down around you :)

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago

I did voter drives in 2016 and 2020 The people I met say the same things. I am in now way saying that voter interference is not a thing. Encouraging voter apathy is a easy way to influence American elections.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago

Can’t believe it took this long for me to see this meme. Plenty of photos of internet soldiers, but haven’t seen it memes till now.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago

When you don't vote, how can anyone reflect on why they did not get your vote? At the very least write in a name like "Sanders" so the caucus can say, "well, it seems we didn't get this vote because we were not progressive enough."

Obviously, it doesn't mean the parties will change but maybe they will think "We almost had this state. If we change slightly maybe we can grab 25% of these independents in the next Senate race."

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