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Alarm as German climate activists charged with ‘forming a criminal organisation’ (www.theguardian.com)

submitted 5 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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The activists say all their protests were open, accountable and non-violent, and contested the use of such a draconian law against them.

“This is the first time in German history that a climate protest group that uses measures of peaceful civil disobedience is charged as a criminal organisation,” Herrman said.

“This charge is especially dangerous for democracy and the right to peaceful protest because the charge turns the constitutional right of protest, freedom of speech and political assembly into a crime simply because some laws were broken in course of civil disobedient protest.

“This charge is meant for mafia and organised crime. This charge criminalises every act of support towards the group Letzte Generation. This creates an immense chilling effect on all climate protests in Germany.”

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 5 months ago

They should resort to bioterrorism like farmers throwing animal feces everywhere. Then the police officers would just shrug their shoulders and say nothing can be done.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 5 months ago

Meanwhile the fascists in AfD get a pass...

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Someone in the German judicial and political system got paid by the petrochemical industry.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

Not just for this.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago

Well if the state wants to use violent direct action (incarceration)...

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

Either the judiciary in my home country has watched 12 Monkeys too often, or it is not as independent of the industry as it pretends to be. Either way, this is completely absurd and a declaration of the bankruptcy of our legal system.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

Meanwhile, dummy waving supporters of the Nächste Generation group are strolling through the streets and terrorising pidgeons in parks unhampered. /s

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

Jesus not just the uk huh fucking hell

[+] [email protected] -22 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Uh, yeah?

Civil disobedience can be illegal, and engaging in it can land you in jail. Many famous activists did end up in jail at one point or another for doing illegal things. It's a risk you have to accept if you want to engage in those protests, and if a little bit of jail-time is sufficient to deter folks from the movement, then they probably aren't particularly invested in the cause.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Yes, but then you charge and convict for civil disobedience, not for forming a criminal organisation.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago

"Yeah, that guy who jaywalked SHOULD be charged with murder, jaywalking is a CRIME, PEOPLE!"

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

Civil disobedience is not a charge, because it is not the crime. Civil disobedience is when someone deliberately breaks a law that they believe is a bad law. For example if you think that the law against indecent exposure is unjust. Your act of civil disobedience might be to stand in front of city hall with a large group of like minded people and strip naked. If you get arrested and charged you will be charged with indecent exposure not civil disobedience. As indecent exposure is the act of civil disobedience you are making.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

Civil disobedience is not inherently criminal in the western world (that would be horrible) - criminal acts are. In this case, the civil disobedience involves crime, and the organization explicitly plans illegal action, fitting the bill of what that law prohibits.

If them being convicted based on those laws are a problem -change them. That's often part of the purpose of civil disobedience, highlighting problematic laws, swaying public opinion and getting lawmakers to change them.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 months ago (1 children)

"Forming a criminal organisation" is a charge they specifically invented to counter RAF terrorism in the 60s and 70s. Equating people who glue themselves to roads with that is just idiotic.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

That's always the case with laws (they can and will have unintended consequences). My personal opinion is that laws should expire unless explicitly renewed.

Anyway, if the law as it is written is a problem, it should be changed - not selectively applied. I really have a problem with the american legal system where law is primarily made in court and not in parliament.